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Do Small Patrol Aircraft Carry Lavatories?  
User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 2921 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5746 times:

I've noticed that there are several small surveillance and patrol aircraft either in service or development.

http://www.diamond-sensing.com/index.php?id=da42mppguardian

http://www.tecnamswiss.ch/P2006-T_MRI_01.html

These aircraft are optimized for 6 to 8 hour missions and I was wondering if there any restroom facilities in these planes. What would a crewmember do to relieve himself on a 8 hour patrol in these small cramped aircraft ? Would a small chemical toilet even fit on board ? Or is this not even an issue for them ?



There doesn't seem to be a lot of room in these small cramped aircraft for bodily contingencies.....


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User currently offlinesaafnav From South Africa, joined Mar 2010, 276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5718 times:

As for number one, I guess Wee Jon's are in order.

If you have a bigger problem? Well, I guess you are stuck.

Worst nightmare... flying without amenities and the need arises!



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User currently offlineNBGSkyGod From United States of America, joined May 2004, 816 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5633 times:

Open the door..bombs away?


"I use multi-billion dollar military satellite systems to find tupperware in the woods."
User currently offlineLH707330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5515 times:

I think a number of smaller A/C have small "relief tubes," but for big business you're outta luck...

User currently offlinewoodreau From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 1043 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5482 times:

I always carried a 1 gal ziplock freezer bag for the liquid variety in the SH-60B helos. Then dropped it out of the hole in the bottom after business was done.


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User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6878 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5467 times:

Adult diapers anyone?   
Just make sure you take a nice long shower post flight if you take that option...



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5401 times:

For tee-tee: http://www.pilotmall.com/product/restop-1-liquid-wastebag-2-pack

Or, permanently-installed in the plane: http://www.chiefaircraft.com/pilot-shop/pilot-relief.html

As to the latter, it relies upon airflow to create a vacuum in the tube to draw the urine out of the aircraft, and the system works quite well, if properly installed and used. But... guy I know had one installed in his aircraft (a C210), and confidently went to use it while on a long flight (Colorado to Dallas, an easy trip for a plane with the long legs afforded by the 210s generous fuel capacity). He "unloaded" into the funnel, only to realize (too late) that the funnel was not fully-affixed to the tube, and it was dumping... onto his seat. The realization came too late to save him, though I have no idea how knowing earlier could have much helped - once you start, it ain't that easy to quit!

He sat and stewed in his mistake for the better part of an hour, and had quite a clean-up task after he landed. A lesson learned, the hard way.

---

As for solids, it has been done to simply replace a seat in an aircraft with a camp potty or the like if the aircraft is engaged in long-duration missions, but space is always at a premium...

...I've heard of charter pilots in extremis utilizing flight bags lined with sectional charts as emergency crappers, but cannot imagine using this exigency except in the most dire circumstances. Most pilots, anticipating a long-duration mission, try to adjust their food intake and "waste excretion" to minimize such issues. From my own experience, I now know: if you intend to eat a substantial quantity of dried mangoes, be sure that you do so in reasonable proximity of a potty. I was most fortunate to have learnt this lesson after beginning my hearty tropical snack 2/3 of the way through a lengthy trip; had I broken out the tasty treat upon first reaching cruise altitude, I would have certainly required a hasty descent to an emergency facility (so to speak), well short of my destination,and even at that, it would have been a near thing!



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlinesaafnav From South Africa, joined Mar 2010, 276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5268 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 6):
From my own experience, I now know: if you intend to eat a substantial quantity of dried mangoes, be sure that you do so in reasonable proximity of a potty. I was most fortunate to have learnt this lesson after beginning my hearty tropical snack 2/3 of the way through a lengthy trip; had I broken out the tasty treat upon first reaching cruise altitude, I would have certainly required a hasty descent to an emergency facility (so to speak), well short of my destination,and even at that, it would have been a near thing!

While exchanging these kind of stories.... I was on a body recovery mission recently. Some hotel in Africa gave myself and the engineer quite the runs to say the least.

The mobile morgue gave some privacy, but pretty much all the passengers (walking wounded) knew what you are up to, since there are only so many things you can do with 2 refuse bags and a white roll of paper.

After the necessary time to ponder, you store your double lined bags in the ramp door where it is cold, and when you land, be sure to take it with you.

That scenario used to be one of my worst nightmares in aviation, but now that bridge has been crossed.

Erich



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User currently online26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5247 times:

I flew a C-421 with a built in relief tube. Cabin is pressurized though which helps immensely. Not sure the plane in OP's pic would be equipped as such.

An old tale from a US Navy P-3 crew member was that the plane was equipped only with a honey pot. The first guy to use it was the same guy who had to empty its contents upon landing. No one wanted to be first.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17044 posts, RR: 67
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Legendary: http://totalfratmove.com/your-averag...business-trip-gone-horribly-wrong/


"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlinesaafnav From South Africa, joined Mar 2010, 276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5137 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 9):

Legendary: http://totalfratmove.com/your-averag...business-trip-gone-horribly-wrong/

Man, this is funny! I love the reference to Cosmo Cramer!

I've heard that if you sit on a apple or tennis ball or something just to keep the pressure on the washer, it will help a bit....



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User currently offlinejagflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5037 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 6):
Or, permanently-installed in the plane: http://www.chiefaircraft.com/pilot-shop/pilot-relief.html

As to the latter, it relies upon airflow to create a vacuum in the tube to draw the urine out of the aircraft, and the system works quite well, if properly installed and used. But... guy I know had one installed in his aircraft (a C210), and confidently went to use it while on a long flight (Colorado to Dallas, an easy trip for a plane with the long legs afforded by the 210s generous fuel capacity). He "unloaded" into the funnel, only to realize (too late) that the funnel was not fully-affixed to the tube, and it was dumping... onto his seat. The realization came too late to save him, though I have no idea how knowing earlier could have much helped - once you start, it ain't that easy to quit!

He sat and stewed in his mistake for the better part of an hour, and had quite a clean-up task after he landed. A lesson learned, the hard way.

If your not careful you're liable to get "stuck" in the funnel due to the suction created. Uh oh!



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User currently offlinesaafnav From South Africa, joined Mar 2010, 276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4926 times:

Quoting jagflyer (Reply 11):
If your not careful you're liable to get "stuck" in the funnel due to the suction created. Uh oh!

I read once on A.net about a guy who also designed a liquid disposal system for his glider or small plane.
Kind of a funnel and tubing to the outside of the airplane idea.

However, he never tested it with water, and the first time he used it, he quickly found out the vent was in a high pressure area



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User currently offlinefoxxray From France, joined May 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4863 times:

I used to do long surveillance and aerial survey flights, (Pa34, P68, ... so no lavatories) and it happened to me once, luckily i had a bottle of water. It's really difficult to stay focused on your flight in this situation  

User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2413 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

Well, we have an old thread...

How Do Single Pilots Go To The Toilet? (by Dainan Feb 27 2011 in Tech Ops)#12



David



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