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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2509 times:
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Do any light aircraft have airbag systems like cars? If not, why not? Surely in an impact it would be better to have a few airbags surround you.


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User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Yes. Most new build GA aircraft these days have an airbag built into the lap belt of the front seats.


http://www.amsafe.com/products-servi...general-aviation/seatbelt-airbags/


User currently offlinecorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

Toward the end of my flight training days we started taking deliveries of Cessnas that had an airbag built into the seat belt.

I assume this was the manufacturer
http://www.amsafe.com/products-servi...general-aviation/seatbelt-airbags/


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Amsafe makes a seatbelt airbag system for general aviation.
http://www.amsafe.com/products-servi...general-aviation/seatbelt-airbags/

Looks like we were posting at the same time....

[Edited 2013-06-09 05:42:59]


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2471 times:
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Cool, thanks guys. Are there any systems that have airbags come out of the actual frame, like some cars have from the door pillars in addition to the steering wheel? How much evidence is there of their worth overall in light aircraft?


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17001 posts, RR: 67
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
How much evidence is there of their worth overall in light aircraft?

Obviously if you plummet into the ground at 150 knots an airbag isn't going to help much. However in general aviation lots of accidents are low speed, for example when making an emergency landing in a field and running into a cow at 20 knots. At that point airbags are presumably quite useful.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2338 times:
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Indeed, the landing in a field sort of scenario is precisely the sort of situation I was considering.


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User currently offlinesshd From Spain, joined May 2011, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Quoting corey07850 (Reply 2):

Toward the end of my flight training days we started taking deliveries of Cessnas that had an airbag built into the seat belt.

Indeed, the C172R I fly has it. This one was built in 2009 I reckon.


User currently offlineKPWMSpotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 433 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Most light aircraft don't have a convenient mounting location on the instrument panel for an airbag. You can't really mount it in the yoke, since the yoke would move during deployment (and I'd hate to see what would happen during an accidental deployment close to the ground...) Therefore, the seat belt is really the best place to mount them. All Cessna 172SPs I've flown feature the airbag in the seat belt - it's not a bad design either, it's comfortable and really not that noticable when in place.

Cirrus types are some of the best equipped GA aircraft when it comes to survivability. In addition to the CAPS airframe parachute systems, most Cirrus come equipped with airbags of various types, and all come equipped with "CEATs" (Cirrus Energy Absorbing Technology) seats. The CEATs technology essentially mounts the seats on collapsible high density honeycomb blocks. The blocks are designed to crush vertically and lessen the vertical deceleration forces transmitted to the occupants in a crash. Since humans are far more sensitive to vertical acceleration than transverse, I personally feel more comfortable with a well designed (controlled deformable) seat in conjunction with a four or five point seat belt than I would feel with simply an air bag.



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User currently onlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2762 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2123 times:
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We have the AMSAFE airbags in my University's Cessnas. My safety class had the whole technical rundown but I can't remember it too well. You just have to make sure the seatbelt is facing the proper direction or else it isn't going to work very well. I know at least at my university it saved someone from extreme injury. A student was climbing out of KPKD at night and got the sensation he was moving too slow even though his airspeed indicator said 74 knots, which is the standard climb rate. Well he pushed the nose down and went right into the ground. He ended up with just a few bruises and ultimately a bruised ego. Better than dash rash.
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User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 9):
I know at least at my university it saved someone from extreme injury

Same at our flight school. We had a guy stall when attempting a late go around on his second solo flight. He made it out with just bruises, and it was largely thanks to the airbag deploying.



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