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Cockpit Commonality: 767-400ER & 777  
User currently offlinewhiplash From India, joined Nov 2011, 38 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

I was recently viewing pictures of a 767-400ER, and for a moment i wondered if they tagged the picture wrong.. The cockpit looks almost exactly like that of the 777..
I was wondering how much commonality is there between the 2 flight decks.. How much training is required to upgrade from one cockpit to another?

Also, do all of the non-400ER versions that are being produced at the moment have the newer flight deck or the old one?
  

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6942 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

IIRC the 777 and the 767 for the most part share the same Section 41. this was a design request by DL, NH, and UA (I believe) so they can train their pilots a lot easier.


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User currently offlinewhiplash From India, joined Nov 2011, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

So, do all new 767's come with this cockpit?

User currently offlineBRITANNIA25 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

So can a pilot be trained to fly the 764 and the 777? I wouldn't have thought so but maybe I am wrong! I know flight crew can fly 757/767 combo and A330/A340 combo but the 764 and 777 are different a/c types.

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21092 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

Quoting BRITANNIA25 (Reply 3):
So can a pilot be trained to fly the 764 and the 777?

No, they are two different types.

The only similarity between the 764 and the 777 is the instrument presentation. The rest of the cockpit is the same as the 763 (and 762), and most importantly the systems are the same as well (no FBW being the big difference).

-Mir



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

Quoting BRITANNIA25 (Reply 3):
but the 764 and 777 are different a/c types.

So is the 757 and 767.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 6, posted (10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 5):
Quoting BRITANNIA25 (Reply 3):
but the 764 and 777 are different a/c types.

So is the 757 and 767.

Indeed. However they share a type rating so from the pilot certification perspective they are very similar.



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User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 6):
Indeed. However they share a type rating so from the pilot certification perspective they are very similar.

A friend who flew both joked that the only difference in the cockpit was that in 757 you take slight step down when entering it.



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User currently offlineBoeEngr From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 321 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2436 times:

Quoting whiplash (Reply 2):
So, do all new 767's come with this cockpit?

No, only the 400ER has that instrument panel/display setup. The 767s currently being produced (200s and 300s) have the "old" style. Exceptions are the Tanker, which is getting 787 style displays, and the FedEx freighter, which is different yet again.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1312 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Quoting flylku (Reply 7):
A friend who flew both joked that the only difference in the cockpit was that in 757 you take slight step down when entering it.

Actually although the display presentations are the same on the 757 and 767 (not -400) there are a lot of system differences -- not as many as the 777 and 787 which also share a common pilot type rating -- stepping down into the cockpit is just the beginning.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2881 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting whiplash (Reply 2):
So, do all new 767's come with this cockpit?
Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
Quoting BRITANNIA25 (Reply 3):
So can a pilot be trained to fly the 764 and the 777?

No, they are two different types.

Sure they can. A pilot can be trained to fly any number of models, if you are willing to invest in the training.

Lot's of Boeing pilots are rated to fly every Boeing model. It's not uncommon for a production pilot to, say, fly a 767, 747, 737 and 787 in the same week. Some of them also fly the C-17, and/or the little chase planes. A few Boeing pilots are also rated on the A320 so they can better understand their philosophies, in addition to being rated on every other Boeing model.

I know a female Boeing pilot that has flown the 787, P-8 (military 737), GTTA (767 Italian Tanker) and regularly flies the C-17 all in a short span of time.

Likewise, during the 747-8 testing at Edwards Air Force Base, some Long Beach C-17 pilots gpt recruited to help support 747 flights. I guess four engines is four engines.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1312 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
Lot's of Boeing pilots are rated to fly every Boeing model. It's not uncommon for a production pilot to, say, fly a 767, 747, 737 and 787 in the same week.

You forgot 777 and 727/757 back in the day -- always a challenge to see if you could do a B-1 on 4 or 5 different models in one week. Mechanical or glass -- 2,3 or 4 engines -- switches forward, switches aft -- pounds, kilos -- no big deal.


User currently offlinefreeze3192 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

757 - step down
767 - step up

You really have to watch your step and know which type you are entering the cockpit of.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2881 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2180 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 11):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
Lot's of Boeing pilots are rated to fly every Boeing model. It's not uncommon for a production pilot to, say, fly a 767, 747, 737 and 787 in the same week.

You forgot 777 and 727/757 back in the day -- always a challenge to see if you could do a B-1 on 4 or 5 different models in one week. Mechanical or glass -- 2,3 or 4 engines -- switches forward, switches aft -- pounds, kilos -- no big deal.

I was giving an example, not covering every possible Boeing model that one could fly. But yeah, I know of pilots that will fly a 787 for Boeing and then go on Reserve duty and fly a C-17 the next day. The maybe a few days later do a 777 paint ferry flight. The C-17 has a large stick, among other substantial differences.


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