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SQ A345 Under Tow With Main Cargo Door Open?  
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4870 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14407 times:

Hello All,

Was on SSC forum & came across what seems to me as being strange & probably not wise decision to be permitted.

In the image we have Singapore Airlines A340-541 under tow with her main forward cargo door open. Question, is this a wise move considering there is great possibility of damage being caused to the aircraft / door? I know its common for aircraft to be towed with inward opening holds open but this is a first for me! Your thoughts?



After doing a search in our database I only noted another occasion with same practice of towing the aircraft with cargo hold door open.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30623 posts, RR: 84
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14076 times:
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Perhaps the door is jammed and she's being towed to an area for repairs?

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4870 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 13886 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Perhaps the door is jammed and she's being towed to an area for repairs?

Your probably right, but aren't aircraft fitted with an over ride system I remember being buckled up on QF002 BKK-SYD service, ready for push back, awaiting the final cargo hold door to being shut. After a lengthy delay due to the ground staff not able to shut the door the Captain walked downstairs and shut the door in override mode (announced this over the PA to explain the delay with our departure)

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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5731 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13620 times:

Quoting EK413 (Thread starter):
Question, is this a wise move considering there is great possibility of damage being caused to the aircraft / door?

No, it's not a good idea. At my particular employer, the policy is that there is never to be any towing with any door or structural hatch open (E&E bay, bag pits, main cabin doors, etc). These doors are structural- while it's unlikely that the plane will buckle in half if you hit a bump while towing, it's best to have them secured.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 2):
I remember being buckled up on QF002 BKK-SYD service, ready for push back, awaiting the final cargo hold door to being shut. After a lengthy delay due to the ground staff not able to shut the door the Captain walked downstairs and shut the door in override mode (announced this over the PA to explain the delay with our departure)

Your captain was full of.... something other than honesty.
If the door is truly jammed, then it's jammed.
I can't think of a situation where a ramper- who opens and closes cargo doors for a living- would be unable to close the door, but the captain- who pushes buttons for a living- would be able to do it. Cycle a circuit breaker? Sure. Close a "jammed" door? Nope.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4870 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13557 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
No, it's not a good idea.

I thought this would've been the case.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3):
Your captain was full of.... something other than honesty.
If the door is truly jammed, then it's jammed.

From my understanding the captain said the door wouldn't lock and had to be locked manually. I'm not a ramp worker therefore I don't have any knowledge of the locking process.

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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13545 times:
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 4):
From my understanding the captain said the door wouldn't lock and had to be locked manually. I'm not a ramp worker therefore I don't have any knowledge of the locking process.

Or it could be as simple as the door being locked, but the indicator light not showing it properly locked and the captain had to physically confirm the door being locked (happens on CRJs all the time, so I'm sure it happens on other planes too)



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4137 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10445 times:

Maybe someone broke wind?

Ok, we were all thinking it.



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User currently offlinekaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7485 times:

Towing with the door open is allowed, you're not allowed to exceed something like 2 or 3 mph on the tow. same with main cabin doors and LG doors.

Not normal ops, but is most certainly allowed...



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User currently offlinepetteri From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

Odd indeed. It must be really and truly jammed. Not sure how the 340 is, but on the 320 series you can manually "pump" the door closed in case of a hydraulic failure. Not fun, but it gets the job done.


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User currently offlinecelestar345 From Hong Kong, joined May 2013, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

Possible but need a lot more care - as you don't want to overstress the door hinges in case of bumps or knocks, also it's much easier to crash into something...

Frequently done at where I work - Quite often you see aircraft towing with C-Ducts fully opened, doors and cargo doors opened... just a few more steps to ensure clearance but really no great deal :p


User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1182 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4204 times:

I have seen this often at airports all over the world. Nothing unusual except that it is not done in bad weather


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4870 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3833 times:

Thanks for your responses. I certainly found it unusual and never seen this practice ever before so thanks.

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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1860 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2680 times:
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To close hydralic doors on the 320 and 319 at least manually you have to pump it closed. I am not sure if the capability exists on the larger buses


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User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2274 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Quoting EK413 (Thread starter):
Question, is this a wise move considering there is great possibility of damage being caused to the aircraft / door?

Done it many times with the Md-80's. Just dont hit anything.

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