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A330/A340 Engine Placement On Wing  
User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

For comparison, where (what percentage on the wing) are the engines on an A330-200 located versus an A340-200? Same for an A330-300 and A340-300.


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 1, posted (7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

The inner engines on the 340 are in exactly the same location as the engines on the 330. It is the same wing. That was one of the main points that made it a common program.

The -200 and -300 variants have the same wing for 330 and 340. The -500 and -600 have more span and chord, with a tapered root insert, though the chord at the tip is the same.

Externally, the only bit that is different on the -200 and -300, apart from engines and center gear leg, is the size of the fin and rudder. The 330 has a taller unit since an engine out requires more rudder/fin authority.

Structurally, the 340 has a lighter wing.

Making a 330 tanker was relatively simple because Airbus could put the tanking outlets in the same place as the 340 outer engines. Since it has the same structure as the 340, fuel plumbing was already catered for in that location.

[Edited 2013-08-31 01:33:40]

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[Edited 2013-08-31 01:39:00]


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User currently offlineLH707330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
Externally, the only bit that is different on the -200 and -300, apart from engines and center gear leg, is the size of the fin and rudder. The 330 has a taller unit since an engine out requires more rudder/fin authority.

Not quite, both the 300s and the A340-200 have the same fin, and the 330-200 has a taller one. The later 330-200s also have the same fin as the 340-5/600, which is slightly taller than the -300 fins but shorter than the early 330-200 fins, and shorter in chord. This there are three fins:
short fin: 333, 342, 343
tall fin: 332 (section added atop -300 fin)
large fin: 332 (late), 345, 346 (medium height, longer chord)


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

I heard somewhere that the 744s engines are placed at 39% and 60% on the wing in terms of length starting from the fuselage going outward. Any similar info on that for the A330s/A340s?


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User currently offlineLH707330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 3):
I heard somewhere that the 744s engines are placed at 39% and 60% on the wing in terms of length starting from the fuselage going outward. Any similar info on that for the A330s/A340s?

Using my mk.1 eyeball, the 340's inboards are relatively further inboard, and the outboards further outboard, at least on the 343. The 345/346 with the tip extension have slightly different proportions.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 5, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 4):
The 345/346 with the tip extension have slightly different proportions.

The 345/346 does not have a tip extension. It has a tapered root insert. A tapered triangular section was inserted in the center; thick at the root and tapering off a ways outboard along the span. This gave both more chord, particularly close to the root, and more span.



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User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

Distance from aircraft center line to engine center line:
200/300:
Inboard: 9,37m
Outboard: 19,27m
Wingtip: 30,15m

500/600:
Inboard: 9,37m
Outboard: 19,27m
Wingtip: 31,73m

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/medi.../Airbus-AC-A340-200300-Apr2013.pdf
http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/medi.../Airbus-AC-A340-500600-Apr2013.pdf



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User currently offlinedandaire From UK - Wales, joined Jul 2008, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
The -500 and -600 have more span and chord, with a tapered root insert, though the chord at the tip is the same.
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 5):
The 345/346 does not have a tip extension. It has a tapered root insert. A tapered triangular section was inserted in the center; thick at the root and tapering off a ways outboard along the span. This gave both more chord, particularly close to the root, and more span.

The A340-600 wing did not have a tapered root insert, it was a completely new larger wing, it is a bit of a myth that the -500/600 wing was a modified -200/300 wing. It was a new redesigned much larger wing.

A343 Vs. A346 Wings (by na Jul 18 2011 in Tech Ops)?threadid=302153&searchid=302713&s=a340+600+wings#ID302713



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 8, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

Quoting dandaire (Reply 7):
The A340-600 wing did not have a tapered root insert, it was a completely new larger wing, it is a bit of a myth that the -500/600 wing was a modified -200/300 wing. It was a new redesigned much larger wing.

I stand corrected.



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