kmz From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 174 posts, RR: 2 Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6881 times:
I just came back on a round trip with the LH B748 FRA-HKG-FRA. Generally a great plane. The interior is up to date. On the first trip I sat right behind the wing. Absolutely quiet flight even during takeoff (the only noisy part was the air conditioning). On my return trip I sat in the last row. I was surprised by the amount of vibration in the fuselage. It started right after lift off. First I thought there were small turbulences, but after 11 hours same vibrations, sometimes quite remarkable, I am sure that it is some normal phenomena due to the long fuselage. I wonder how the crew can rest back there. Has this always been a B747 issue even without any turbulence?
I read this article, I am not sure if this is relevant to your observations:
"As Boeing wonders how much faster it can feasibly build 737s and 787s, it is slashing output of the 747-8 and may need to cut it even more. While Boeing received net orders for 428 aircraft so far this year, the firm order backlog for the 747-8 shrank by two units. Although Boeing overcame the 787 battery issue, it still has not implemented a solution for the year-old wing vibration problem on the 747-8 that renders a range-extending fuel tank inoperative."
chrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1087 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6732 times:
I would guess the poster is referring to the 747 'fish-tailing' which I assume affects the latest 748 as well. It is a gentle left-right rocking/wobble that you can feel at the very back, in turbulence it can be felt much more intensely, but it's there nearly all the time except in the most still air. If I remember correctly it has something to do with some active damper system.
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747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2571 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6188 times:
- In general, on most aircraft - further aft -more noise.
- The dutch roll tendency on all 747 series, previous to the 748, is not very prominent and is counteracted by an upper and lower yaw damper system, installed at both rudders. According the DDG , you may even depart with one system U/S
- The tail tank issue has nothing to do with vibration during normal airline operation.
- The tail tank issue : Boeing could not demonstrate to the authorities during certification (paper excercise) , that - with one failed attachment of an outboard engine - an non normal condition (that has never happened at any of the preceding 747 series) - the airplane doesn't develop flutter with the tailtank more than 30% full, in combination with a FWD CG.
- Because the tailtank is not used at the current Lufthansa 747-8 destinations (and is only to be used with less than 60% payload), Boeing decided not to delay the certification and to certify the tailtank at a later stage (January 2014).
- The 747-8/BBJ aircraft are most likely to use the tail tank more often, but all 747-8/BBJ's are still in VIP cabin refurbishment and not active yet.
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