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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2291 posts, RR: 19
Posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6038 times:

Hello All:

Being a ramp agent, I am very used to and accustomed to the inside of the 737 luggage bin, however I was curious to see what it looks like on other A/C types. I know its common to see pictures of the 747,767s and some other widebody A/C , however I am a bit more intrigued to see the luggage bins of the 707, 717, 727, TU-154, etc. Lastly if anyone on this site worked any of these planes, how did the airlines prefer to load them ( nose heavy, tail heavy, etc )..


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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 927 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6034 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Thread starter):
717

The 717 is like the MD 83, 87, 88, and 90. You need most of your load in the back bins..

Also loading depends on a load plan sent via computer (DL), depending on pax booked up stairs and how many bags along with cargo if any the load plan will change so the plane will be nose heavy one time and tail heavy the next



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5724 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 1):
The 717 is like the MD 83, 87, 88, and 90. You need most of your load in the back bins..

Actually the 717, like the DC9 is opposite of the MadDogs. Most of the load needs to be up front. The "aft index" is usually extremely high so you load in the front to bring it down. On the MadDogs, the AI is usually very low so you load in the back to bring it up. The 90s usually aren't a huge issue unless it's a long flight (fuel).



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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2291 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5693 times:

Do you guys have any pictures of the DC-9, MD-80 thru 95 ( 717 ) bin? I've yet to work a 717, but a co-worker who used to work the MD80s and 717s at TW told me they were a real B**ch to load.


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User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5544 times:

Aft bin E190 (PITA, worst plane i've ever worked on and i've done the MD-80)



FWD Bin A320



[Edited 2013-09-06 14:46:54]

User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 927 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5535 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 2):
Actually the 717, like the DC9 is opposite of the MadDogs. Most of the load needs to be up front. The "aft index" is usually extremely high so you load in the front to bring it down.

I did not know that. The closet plane to a DC9 or 717 I have worked is a MD87 and those load plans always instructed us to load it all in the back. But isn't the MD87 in the same class as the DC9 and 717?

MD87:


DC9:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2674/3883121272_0545f02b0e_o.jpg

717:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Hawaiian_Airlines.Boeing_717-200.KOA.2009.jpg



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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2291 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 4):
Aft bin E190

What makes the E190 horrible to work?

Looks like you could stack the bags pretty high on the A320 series..



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User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5429 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 6):

Hit your head on one of those sharp overhead grates enough and you develop a dislike for the airplane.



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User currently offlineTardis From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5415 times:

The 747 belly has no floor. Rails for loading and control cables. Rearranging locks from cans to pallets is
an interesting task!


User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5340 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 6):

The picture makes the 190 look bigger than it is. You can barely stack 3 bags upwards. I've smashed my head on the extinguisher grates so many times it isn't funny. Also the bin lining tends to get ripped apart leaving jagged metal strips everywhere and the coating on the floor comes apart and bags stick there. Just an awful plane to work on.


User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3630 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5335 times:
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Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 5):
I did not know that. The closet plane to a DC9 or 717 I have worked is a MD87 and those load plans always instructed us to load it all in the back. But isn't the MD87 in the same class as the DC9 and 717?

You have to remember the 717's engines weigh much more. The BR715 engines dry weight is 6155 lbs compared to JT8D-219's dry weight of 4741 lbs. I'm not sure of the exact weight of the ventral stairs on the DC-9/MD-80, but I've read that it is only a few hundred pounds. So, you have an aircraft slightly longer than a DC-9-30 but with close to 3000 lbs more hanging on in the back.


User currently offlineflydeltajets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1832 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5091 times:
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Quoting Tardis (Reply 8):
The 747 belly has no floor. Rails for loading and control cables. Rearranging locks from cans to pallets is
an interesting task!

The older ones are like that, the ones that Qantas and the newer China Airlines ones had a full floor. But trying to walk those rails was super treacherous especially with wet shoes.



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User currently offlineLH707330 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5078 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 10):
You have to remember the 717's engines weigh much more. The BR715 engines dry weight is 6155 lbs compared to JT8D-219's dry weight of 4741 lbs. I'm not sure of the exact weight of the ventral stairs on the DC-9/MD-80, but I've read that it is only a few hundred pounds. So, you have an aircraft slightly longer than a DC-9-30 but with close to 3000 lbs more hanging on in the back.

Yes, but they are also differently proportioned, which was designed into the plane because of the engine weight.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4893 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 5):
I did not know that. The closet plane to a DC9 or 717 I have worked is a MD87 and those load plans always instructed us to load it all in the back. But isn't the MD87 in the same class as the DC9 and 717?

The 87 is quite linger than a DC9-50 or 717. It's in the same "class" as an 88. basically the same airframe actually.



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User currently offlineGrisee08 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4737 times:
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Boeing 717... I took this one from AirTran ship 751 when it was barely 2 months old.


Still has the green liner on the floor, which as you might see on older ships (and probably this one by now) wears off quickly. This is the forward bin btw. The back bin looks similar, but is a hell of alot more cramped!.. When I worked at AirTran, most of the luggage went in the back bin with COMAT, Gate Checks, and overflow went into the front bins.

[Edited 2013-09-08 21:52:11]


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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1924 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

Originally, the 707 had retractable shelving in the cargo holds. These were removed by most operators. I had only seen it in manuals until I came across this pic: (click for larger size)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/peteredin/2717926072/lightbox/

Note one of the shelves is deployed just forward of the cargo door.

[Edited 2013-09-09 06:52:51]


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

What was the purpose of the shelves? From the design, they are simply layed flat. I was initially thinking the shelf system that's found in the FWD bins on PMDL 757s.


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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1924 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 16):
What was the purpose of the shelves? From the design, they are simply layed flat.

Hat boxes? Steamer Trunks? Who knows what the designers in the 1950s had in mind. It would be interesting to see what a 1950s-60s cargo load looked like. It's hard to believe that rollaboards were not commonplace until the '90s.

Another 707 cargo compartment feature was the access door shown in the forward bulkhead (with the porthole). This door went to the E/E compartment which led to the cockpit access hatch behind the Captains' seat. I wonder how many flight engineers (or navigators) were sent down into the forward cargo to check on things?

[Edited 2013-09-09 18:45:43]


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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1838 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4419 times:
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A design I always found very interesting where these removable baggage bins that could be pre-loaded and then slided into a DC-8. Sort of the ancestor of the modern baggage container!


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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1024 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4400 times:

Thought this one was interesting, this is the aft bin of an A321 with both ACTs removed:



What it looks like with the tanks installed (from bin 5):

http://s21.postimg.org/b5r53b913/IMG_9300.jpg

And the miserably long front bin of the 321:

http://s15.postimg.org/auaqxk6ff/IMG_9297.jpg



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User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

Quoting jetblast (Reply 7):
Hit your head on one of those sharp overhead grates enough and you develop a dislike for the airplane.

I'm surprised that people working the ramp don't wear some sort of lightweight headgear (think the old style Navy flight deck cranials).


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2291 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 19):

The A321 has some very spacious bins! However I must ask with that particular A321, is it bulk loaded or container loaded? I ask because I noticed there is webbing on one side of the wall. How many people are typically stacking in a bin? 2?

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 15):

Thanks for that pic! The 707 too has very spacious bins. It would be interesting to see how they stacked the bins back in the day on those planes too..



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User currently onlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 21):
The A321 has some very spacious bins! However I must ask with that particular A321, is it bulk loaded or container loaded? I ask because I noticed there is webbing on one side of the wall.

It is bulk loaded. As you said there is webbing which would indicate bulk loading. If it were containerized, there would be rollers and tracks on the floor.



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User currently offlineseven3seven From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 316 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

Oh you guys, he was really asking in code if he could see pics of the junk in your trunk!


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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1024 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4111 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 21):
The A321 has some very spacious bins! However I must ask with that particular A321, is it bulk loaded or container loaded? I ask because I noticed there is webbing on one side of the wall. How many people are typically stacking in a bin? 2?

These are bulk loaded. You can see the covered roller tracks for the ACTs which would also be installed on the rest of the bin if it were container loaded. We typically have two people in the bin only if they're stacking in bin 5 (we almost never use the door back there) or going behind the first net in the forward bin. Otherwise it's a one man short-stack operation.



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25 Post contains links and images dlramp4life : Going back to the 707 I find the front bin container system interesting. The cans look like mini LD3s that are used on airbus A320s
26 canoecarrier : I wish I had photos, but the 727 seemed to be very easy to load bags on compared to a MD-80 series. It was much more spacious. Probably a lot like the
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