arsi315 From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2013, 3 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6506 times:
First I would like to thank you for allowing me to post in this community and Would like to Give a brief background about me:
BEng (Hons) Degree: Aerospace Engineering from UK
MSc Degree: Advanced methods of Aeronautical Engineering from UK
Basically a Fresh Graduate.
I just recently Completed my degrees and trying to find a Job at the moment, I want to ask that what are the duties of an aerospace engineer in a field (In an Airline and General Aviation) Based on my Degrees. My Degrees are not based on Maintenance side but on designing side. So I know Airbus Boeing etc are relevant to my degree but I want to know what are the duties in any airline? Please if possible be as much as technical that what kind of duties are assigned.
For Example my Masters Degree was based on Aerospace Structures But what I learnt and studied was mostly theoretical. Calculation of stress, fatigue etc.. How is all this knowledge implemented in real life? Any kind of help will be appreciated. I Really want to understand the "Behind the scene concept" of this Job as I have not worked anywhere yet so I am asking for help from experienced engineers or the one currently working so I make a good impression when I start my very first job.
Congrats on earning your degrees--I was an aerospace engineer in college as well.
That being said, and I hate sounding trite here, but shouldn't you have researched what being an aerospace engineer entailed, what jobs were available and all those questions before you started school? Maybe things are different in the UK, but before I started school, I spent lots of nights talking about the field with a close friend (and a very prolific photographer on this site, who has since passed away.) Going in to the first day of school, I had a very good idea what they did.
wingscrubber From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6368 times:
If you did a structures-focused masters degree, fatigue/stress/loads etc, then your knowledge base is obviously best suited to a stress engineer type role, or possibly structural testing/NDT. Go on indeed.co.uk and search for 'aerospace stress engineer', there are hundreds of jobs. My impression of stress engineering is driving Ansys all day, doing FEM analysis. There is big demand for experienced engineers in that field, but finding the entry-level graduate jobs(a pre-requisite to gaining experience) can be hard. Good luck.
arsi315 From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2013, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6330 times:
Thank you very much for replying.
Yes I did some research about it before entering this field but at that time i was misguided. I always wanted to work in an airline rather OEM therefore I should have chose Maintenance side. And to tell you the truth I was not very keen on research at that time like joining forums etc because I have so much interest in Aviation industry that i was only thinking that I need to get these degrees and I will be fine. Now I am regretting it that I paid around £50,000 for my both degrees and I cant even find a JOB regardless of my outstanding grades. I am fresh graduate have no practical exp thats why I am struggling a bit here in my country. As far as UK goes I was not able to work there because of my visa status.
Anyway I know its very tough now a days to enter in aviation industry as the competition is huge and vacancies are decreasing. But I also know that if I am in for the first time and gain some experience then all my hard work will pay off.
@wingscrubber Yes Actually I have specialized in Stress Engineering Field. and Its really hard to find a job of entry level in this field, I wanted to know like how to implement the theory in practical field. For example I know How to Carry out FEM analysis but how does one implement to the existing Aircraft Structure. I have Carried out many projects and assignments to create something new and test it but never worked on an already existing structure. I was specifically asking for airlines because this situation is much similar to that. But again anything will help me, I just want to get the feeling of how the work is done, Want to know how is it different to my studies in University so I have much clear mind when going for interviews, assessment centres etc. I hope you are understanding my point of view.
But as I said Thank you very much for the reply even it really helped me a lot. Looking forward to your reply.
roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 10443 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6245 times:
There are far more jobs at manufacturers and suppliers than airlines, but most airlines do employ aerospace engineers. I worked as a Reliability analysis doing root cause analysis for what caused mechanical delays with a similar degree. There are people responsible for each part of the airplane deciding what type of modifications or repairs can help the fleet. Whether it is analyzing a service bulletin to decide if it is worth the cost or evaluating a structural repair, there is a need for aerospace engineers.
It may be a better option to get a job at a supplier or manufacture in the industry and then try to move to an airline. There are few airline jobs since it is a small field but a fascinating place to work. Try to look into intern programs but college hires are a but uncommon.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
discovery1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6052 times:
Quoting arsi315 (Reply 3): For example I know How to Carry out FEM analysis but how does one implement to the existing Aircraft Structure.
Typically fems are only used to get loads which are then fed into some other analysis. Actual checks are rarely done inside the big commercial Fems. For example the loads from the fem are passed off to a solver developed by say airbus, which then calculates how much the panel deflects and checks whether or not it buckles. If it does buckle then it might compare the predicted deflections to yield allowables for that material. Another example would be a bracket check. You know the loads in the skin and the frame from the over all aircraft fem, but you don't know how exactly it is distributed in the bracket, since the fem might not be that detailed for that particular part. So you take the fem loads and do statics, and then compare the loads you get from that to bearing allowables.
Quoting roseflyer (Reply 4): For example I know How to Carry out FEM analysis but how does one implement to the existing Aircraft Structure.
You might modify the fem to capture a repair, although a repair of that magnitude is unlikely. More likely is that you'd take the loads from the fem and use a classical analysis, say a bracket needs to have fasteners changed and you want to know the bearing loads on the new fasteners.
Quoting arsi315 (Reply 3): Want to know how is it different to my studies in University so I have much clear mind when going for interviews, assessment centres etc.
In my experience it's good to identify a situation you encountered during your projects, what actions you took to resolve it, and the results of said actions. Or something like that. Wait, this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situation,_Task,_Action,_Result
Boeing asks questions in this mold, and I found that giving stories in this format was a good idea no matter who the company was.
Also you should research profession societies in your country, ones that anyone can join. They might have a members directory you can browse, and then contact them about jobs. Preferably only after applying at their company. I did this with the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and it helped me land my current job. I don't know how many members they have in the UAE, but I'm sure there is something similar closer to you.
Also you might want to consider getting a structural engineering position in the petro-chemical industry. Before he got a job at this company, my lead checked pipes meant for power plants. Eventually he worked his way into the aircraft industry.
bikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2319 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6043 times:
Quoting chrisair (Reply 1): but shouldn't you have researched what being an aerospace engineer entailed, what jobs were available and all those questions before you started school?
LOL . . . I never had that much forethought when I chose my degree. I chose AA because at my school because it has the fewest credits required to graduate. Unfortunately, I later found out that I had to work twice as hard for each of those credits than my Mechanical Engineer counterparts.
Quoting arsi315 (Reply 3): As far as UK goes I was not able to work there because of my visa status.
I Just Ordered this Book. Hopefully will complete it Soon.
Quoting bikerthai (Reply 6): Also you should research profession societies in your country, ones that anyone can join. They might have a members directory you can browse, and then contact them about jobs. Preferably only after applying at their company. I did this with the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and it helped me land my current job. I don't know how many members they have in the UAE, but I'm sure there is something similar closer to you.
Are you talking about sites like Linked In? Currently I am in Dubai, And it is really hard to jet a job for a fresh gradute like me specially for me as my field has very limited jobs in Airlines. And As BikerThai mentioned that there are like only few companies related to the Aviation industry towards the designing side (Not Mentainence). Furthermore, I can not apply in Euorpe and American Side because of my work Permit. Anyways currently I printed out a list of all companies in UAE related to aviation Industry (Unfortunately Not Many) and Even though there are some companies which currently do not have vacancies. SO I need you suggestions on this one that should I send the CV anyways? And Should I email / Apply online Or Mail them Hard Copy? (Because I think That most people dont even bother to open email when they read CV so I think it will set a good impression that HR Department Received my cover letter and CV by post) Sorry to bother in this kind of detail but currently I am trying my best to get the attention as they might offer me some other place in the company.
Quoting bikerthai (Reply 6): Also you might want to consider getting a structural engineering position in the petro-chemical industry. Before he got a job at this company, my lead checked pipes meant for power plants. Eventually he worked his way into the aircraft industry.
Did he face any kind of problems when he switched to Aviation industry ?
Quoting bikerthai (Reply 6): But the next best thing is to find a job where a company will train you in CATIA V5 (even a car company). That skill will translate well into most major Boeing and Airbus contractors/sub contractors.
Yes I will surely Try.
Again Thank you everyone you guys have been really helpful. Looking forward to your reply.
vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 11328 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5782 times:
Keep in mind also that there's a whole array of engineering jobs out there that aren't necessarily with airlines or airplane manufacturers.
I have a BS in Aerospace Engineering, but I worked for a few years as a Design Engineer and Production Engineer for a Medical Devices company, and now I'm a Manufacturing Engineer for a supplier of explosive components, many of which are used in aerospace applications. I work with our in-house machine shop, having had experience doing that at my previous job as well.
The jobs that I've had are totally different to what I was expecting to do after college, but I'm pretty happy, I'm learning a lot, and I like what we do.
So even if you can't find work in your desired industry, keep an open mind. There are all sorts of opportunities out there.
I'm watching Jeopardy. The category is worst Madonna songs. "This one from 1987 is terrible".
bonusonus From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5768 times:
Most important thing is to get a job in the industry in general. Doesn't really matter where. After a few years experience, if you do well, you will be a better candidate for a job such as Customer Engineer at an airline. Try applying at an MRO... i think there are a bunch in Dubai. Lufthansa Technik, Zodiac Services...
I don't know what the job culture is like in the UAE, but in France a lot of internships and jobs are found by "cold-sending" an application... Just saying.
Quoting bonusonus (Reply 9): Most important thing is to get a job in the industry in general. Doesn't really matter where.
This. Hell, get a job, in any industry, that's related to your major and your career goal! Have you tried looking into oil & gas companies? (Well, probably more interesting for an aerodynamics-oriented person, but still worth a try.) FWIW, I just graduated a few months ago, and this is more or less the situation I'm in. Can't say I regret it yet.
"There is an art, or rather a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
bikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2319 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5553 times:
Quoting arsi315 (Reply 7):
Did he face any kind of problems when he switched to Aviation industry ?
OOps you, attributed a few quotes to me that were made by others here.
As for switching from other industry to aviation . . .
There are a few skills that translates seamlessly: Structural Analysis, Quality Assurance, Processes and Material Science, Mechanical Systems Design, Small part design. There is another specialized skill that have been translating across the industries: Composite design.
Even in Dubai, you may be still be able to get a job at Boeing. Boeing does have customer service facility supporting Emirates that is probably well staffed. Who knows, you may get lucky, and land a plumb entry level job there. You just have to get on the Boeing web site and look around.
Quoting arsi315 (Reply 7): SO I need you suggestions on this one that should I send the CV anyways? And Should I email / Apply online Or Mail them Hard Copy?
It doesn't hurt to send them your CV, as long as the CV doesn't make you look bad anyway. How to send it varies company by company. Big ones generally require you to apply online, but smaller ones sometimes have you send in an email. What is uniform is that they all have an official way to apply, either a website or possibly an email address to send your CV to. This is how the process of working there starts and sometimes just doing that is enough. Usually though it is a good idea to dig up the contact info of someone with power at that organization and write them directly.
Also don't bother sending in a hard copy of your CV, it will be ignored.
Quoting arsi315 (Reply 7): Did he face any kind of problems when he switched to Aviation industry ?
He had been working in it for two years when I met him, but far as I know the transition went pretty smoothly. In a couple of weeks he's going to start work as a contractor for Airbus North America.
Tod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1760 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5237 times:
Quoting bikerthai (Reply 11): There are a few skills that translates seamlessly: . . . . . . Mechanical Systems Design,
As a mechanical systems engineer and the lead engineer of a small group of mechanical systems engineers doing primarially commercial aircraft reconfiguration design I would have to disagree.
Commercial ircraft mechanical systems are fairly specialized and in my experience people coming from outside the industry struggle. I'd rather train a structures or interiors engineer with strong commercial aircraft skills than take on someone from outside the biz.