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User currently offlinelexkid12300 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 89 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5033 times:

Hi all:

I just started watching this movie from 1964 and need some help identifying an aircraft in the opening scene. Here are a few still photos:

http://i41.tinypic.com/33wkys2.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/icrbsg.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/3wxlj.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/o8feq9.jpg

For a clip, watch between 17 seconds and 36 seconds of this movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S05w9pvXwo

The aircraft is wearing the tail N 813 CA but i can't find anything on google.

Thanks for the help!

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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2630 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4980 times:

Quoting lexkid12300 (Thread starter):
a few still photos

Oh Lordy, that's that POS model airplane they pieced together for that movie. It looks like about three different types all merged together. Nose and tail like mostly like a -7, kinda Cometesque wings. Stupid engine placement. Ach!
Even worse than this was the sound effects of this thing starting and then taking off all while making the sound of numerous jet-turbines starting. Ridiculous and it drove me to distraction when I was young because I was a stickler for detail if the media was going to to inject itself in anything aviation related.  



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User currently offlinePapaChuck From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 4973 times:

Like Eagle said, it's an old Douglas four engine prop, most likely a DC-7, reworked for the movie to look like a jet. It is by no means an actual aircraft type. It's the kind of conversion seen here:


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

IIRC, in Fate is the Hunter, Ernest Gann wrote about his "lucky" experience in an early DC-4, where he could have died had he taken a particular set of actions. As I recall, he flew the bird to Hawaii, and the outbound crew (Hawaii to mainland) crashed, and as a result, Douglas discovered a design flaw in the bird...the aircraft in the movie clip is obviously fake, though. How many jet engines have you seen hung off of the horizontal stab?  


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4875 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 3):
How many jet engines have you seen hung off of the horizontal stab?

Cough... B-2707... Cough, cough... http://www.testpilot.ru/usa/boeing/2707/images/b2707-200_1.jpg



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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
Cough... B-2707... Cough, cough... 

Man, one can actually see that one somewhere? 



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4601 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
Cough... B-2707... Cough, cough...

One must really wonder if Boeing was inspired by the movie version of Fate is the Hunter...   

Quoting Fabo (Reply 5):
Man, one can actually see that one somewhere?

As I recall, at least one cockpit mockup, and a few fuselage mockups (for sales, etc.) still exist...didn't Boeing actually start construction on the prototype, only to abandon the project before construction was complete?



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2630 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 6):
fuselage mockups

Last I knew the mockups were sold to some circus down in Florida and were last seen decaying away in a central Florida jungle somewhere. I'm sure it must make a good home for venomous snakes and spiders at least.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

I love how any thread which veers onto the B-2707 immediately becomes about the B-2707. For good reason, that plane is seen as one of the ultimate lost opportunities in aviation. Being awesome beyond belief helps of course.


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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4476 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 3):
How many jet engines have you seen hung off of the horizontal stab?

Let's rephrase the question. How many airplanes have flown which has jet engines mounted on the horizontal stabilizers?


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4405 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 7):
Last I knew the mockups were sold to some circus down in Florida and were last seen decaying away in a central Florida jungle somewhere.

There is a full forward fuselage mockup at the Hiller Museum in California...



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User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6840 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4299 times:

Back on track. From this thread (is nothing ever new here?) it was a DC7B that was modified for filming purposes

"Fate Is The Hunter" Airliner Crash Movie 60's (by RHSNYC May 9 2004 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3308 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4293 times:
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Speaking of ridiculous modified aircraft for movies, this is the aircraft used in the new Agents of SHIELD series (which is utterly spectacular, barring some of the technological ludicrousness and this aircraft's design).

6-engined C-17, anyone?
http://shieldtv.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Jet.jpg

With winglets on the rear wing? Hope there's no crosswind, or those are coming off!
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130517001021/agentsofshield/images/5/53/Globemaster.png

Someone didn't do their FOD analysis very well....
http://marikalee9.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/2notfirefly.png

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User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6840 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 12):

And as noted elsewhere ( http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Talk:Marvel's_Agents_of_S.H.I.E.L.D. ) they couldn't get the plane out of the hangar because the slot in the middle is for a single fin not a T-tail, as can be seen in the top pic in the link.

As I often tell my students, just because you can draw it in a CAD package doesn't mean it'll work or you can put it together.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 11):
Back on track. From this thread (is nothing ever new here?) it was a DC7B that was modified for filming purposes

Some sources say 2 DC-7Bs were used. Other sources refer to one ex-AA DC-7, although it could have been a -7B since AA operated both the standard -7 and the -7B.


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2630 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4100 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
2 DC-7Bs were used

It was ridiculous whatever it was!
The sounds they played for take-offs drove me nuts! So stupid.

Reminds me of the old joke about the old lady that took her first Jet flight and asked "aren't they even going to use the propellers for take-off"?



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2630 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

While we are on the topic of old aviation movies   , does anyone recall the name of a movie that had a DC-2 or DC-3 (I don't remember) It was a real bad-luck flight----an oxygen container or something fell against the pax door and the flight attendant fell out. Then it developed engine trouble and crash landed in the jungle somewhere.
There were pax who survived and after a few days the natives (who were supposedly known to be canabalistic) started to beat drums. The pax became terrified because when the drums stopped the savages would come and eat them. They managed to fix the engine and by some miracle managed a jungle -take-off   , and the women and children flew away. The the people who were left supposedly comitted suicide with some freak using a pistol.

Anyway, I recall bits and pieces from years ago but not the name. It was entertaining if a bit ridiculous.



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User currently offlineFlyHossD From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3604 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 16):
While we are on the topic of old aviation movies   , does anyone recall the name of a movie that had a DC-2 or DC-3 (I don't remember) It was a real bad-luck flight----an oxygen container or something fell against the pax door and the flight attendant fell out. Then it developed engine trouble and crash landed in the jungle somewhere.
There were pax who survived and after a few days the natives (who were supposedly known to be canabalistic) started to beat drums. The pax became terrified because when the drums stopped the savages would come and eat them. They managed to fix the engine and by some miracle managed a jungle -take-off   , and the women and children flew away. The the people who were left supposedly comitted suicide with some freak using a pistol.

Anyway, I recall bits and pieces from years ago but not the name. It was entertaining if a bit ridiculous.

Psst... Don't say that too loud. Hollywood is so bereft of original ideas that they might just try this one again. So, SHHH!



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2630 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3492 times:

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 17):
Hollywood is so bereft of original ideas

    

Yes. However, it might not be bad to remake it now that special effects are so much better. I still remember the take-off from that patch in the jungle. Hilarious. It's a wonder a wing didn't catch on a vine and cart-wheel the plane!



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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6474 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3366 times:
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Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 8):
I love how any thread which veers onto the B-2707 immediately becomes about the B-2707. For good reason, that plane is seen as one of the ultimate lost opportunities in aviation. Being awesome beyond belief helps of course.

You are the expert of course, but judging how successful the Concorde and the Tu-144 were, I think Boeing was lucky not to have proceeded with developing their 2707

As for the OP, that´s a fictional plane, but the base fuselage looks like a DC-7


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 19):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 8):
I love how any thread which veers onto the B-2707 immediately becomes about the B-2707. For good reason, that plane is seen as one of the ultimate lost opportunities in aviation. Being awesome beyond belief helps of course.

You are the expert of course, but judging how successful the Concorde and the Tu-144 were, I think Boeing was lucky not to have proceeded with developing their 2707

I wouldn't say expert.  

I do think that if Concorde (and/or B-2707) had been produced in three digit numbers things would have developed somewhat differently. Concorde-B would have come along quite soon, with significantly better economics and much lower noise footprint. Then we would have had some Concorde-C and so on. Not that the fuel burn would ever have reached 787 levels, but it would at least not have been so comparatively hideous.

Tu-144 was sadly a non-starter. Brute force engineering of that sort may work for a military aircraft, but is hopeless for an airliner.



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User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6840 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 16):
While we are on the topic of old aviation movies   , does anyone recall the name of a movie that had a DC-2 or DC-3 (I don't remember) It was a real bad-luck flight----an oxygen container or something fell against the pax door and the flight attendant fell out. Then it developed engine trouble and crash landed in the jungle somewhere.
There were pax who survived and after a few days the natives (who were supposedly known to be canabalistic) started to beat drums. The pax became terrified because when the drums stopped the savages would come and eat them. They managed to fix the engine and by some miracle managed a jungle -take-off   , and the women and children flew away. The the people who were left supposedly comitted suicide with some freak using a pistol.

Anyway, I recall bits and pieces from years ago but not the name. It was entertaining if a bit ridiculous.

.... and the film is.......

"Five Came Back"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Came_Back
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0031314/

Remade as "Back From Eternity", it would seem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_from_Eternity
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048975/



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 16):
It was entertaining if a bit ridiculous.

It was two excellent movies with some surprising casts doing great jobs acting.

Yes, the aviation element of getting an aircraft downed in a forced landing back in the air and having to leave three passengers behind was a bit of a stretch. (Flight of the Phoenix - both of them - is an even bigger stretch).

Seeing the Capelis XC-12 in the earlier movie is always a treat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capelis_XC-12

The cause of the aircraft going down is completely plausible. Getting lost in storms when navigation is largely DR happened a lot.

PanAm lost a B377 in the Amazon in the early 50s. Far off course, when wreckage was found - the CAB investigation team with Brazilian Army support had to cut their on-site investigation short because of attacks by local natives.

In those times in many parts of the world, carrying large heavy objects in the cabin was all too common.


User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2572 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 8):
I love how any thread which veers onto the B-2707 immediately becomes about the B-2707. For good reason, that plane is seen as one of the ultimate lost opportunities in aviation. Being awesome beyond belief helps of course.

Not really a lost opportunity, it was a step too far for the technology of the time. Boeing couldn't make the 2707 work. It was too heavy.



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2630 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days ago) and read 2903 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 21):
and the film is.

Yes! Thank you! I It has been so many years since I last saw one of those flicks I would never have remembered.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 22):
es, the aviation element of getting an aircraft downed in a forced landing back in the air and having to leave three passengers behind was a bit of a stretch. (Flight of the Phoenix - both of them - is an even bigger stretch).

Yeah, special effects in those days was certainly lacking. Those were great movies though.



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