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OAK's Commo One Arrival  
User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2819 posts, RR: 5
Posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

I flew into OAK on Friday and the winds dictated a runway 11 arrival. From my previous 11 arrival, I was expecting the Hadly Two arrival. However, I spoke to the first officer after the flight and he enlightened me about the Commo One arrival. After looking at the chart, it closely resembles the new Marvn One arrival (for 29) that replaces the Panoche Two. Can anyone shed some light on the Commo arrival? When was it introduced and why? My understanding is that the Marvn was implemented to keep OAK arrivals away from SFO arrivals. Can I assume that the Commo has the same intentions? Any insight is appreciated. Thanks!

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User currently offlineBarney captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1002 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1334 times:

Insight? It blows.  Big grin They started they Marvin/Commo @ 6 months ago for the reasons you stated, and the general opinion is it's horrible. Just flew it again last night (I'm based in OAK), and on either arrival, you're basically down at 10k feet 65 miles from the airport. They should just rename them the "Fuel Burn 1" and the "VFR Conflict 2". Unfortunately, OAK is not alone. Because of the secondary airports we serve (OAK vs SFO, MDW vs ORD etc), we frequently are decended early to avoid the main flow of traffic.


...from the Banana Republic....
User currently offlineFlygga From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1295 times:

Another fuel waster to avoid the SFO arrival flow traffic is the Loupe departure at SJC. Passing through 15,000 ft you have gone nowhere and are still over the airport!



User currently offlineFlygga From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1283 times:

Correction on the last, you pass over SJC at or above 12,000 ft, not 15,000.




User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5522 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1273 times:

Are you an airline pilot? What airline?

Continental


User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1662 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

I noticed that nonresponse too, Continental. I think he flies for Microsoft Intercontinental Airlines.

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6903 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1231 times:

Modesto2's profile says he's a UCLA student, age 16-20. When has he ever claimed to be an airline pilot?

User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5522 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1223 times:

I know 16-20. I thought you couldn't get a Commercial License until you were 21!!

Continental


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6903 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

Did he say he has one?

User currently offlineHawkeye2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1211 times:

Maybe he was flying UA and listening to Channel 9, so he knew those details. He never said he was flying as a pilot!

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

Modesto2 might only be 16-20, but he sure asks questions that indicate a true interest in aviation...

BTW, Mod2, I'm sure that Oakland Center can answer your questions on the construction of the arrival in question. I'd call their main number and ask for "airspace and procedures", M-F, 9-5, usually.


User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2819 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

First, I appreciate those members who have appropriately answered my question. However, I never fathomed such a misunderstanding. Continental and ThirtyEcho: no, I am not an airline pilot. As my profile (and Timz) explicitly says, I am a mechanical engineering student at UCLA. I'm not sure where your misunderstanding finds its roots, but if you read my original post, it says: "I spoke to the first officer after the flight." Hawkeye2, had I been flying UA, your assumption most likely would have been correct! And OPNLguy, as always, I appreciate your professionalism and willingness to share your wealth of knowledge.

I hope this serves as a reminder that in the future, please carefully read each post and don't jump to conclusions. It really detracts from the potential knowledge gain of this great forum. Thank you!

Regards,
Modesto2


User currently offlineFlygga From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

Modesto2

Please igonore the children in the group. There are lots of them out there. When they post stupid stuff like that, just ignore it. I have read and responded to alot of your post over time and I never got the impression that you were a pilot. I actually enjoy a lot of your post, since we share a common interest in SIDS and STARS. Not too many non-pilots out there have interest this kinda stuff.

Have a good one

Richard

PS: There is probably going to be another SID for OAK that is a noise abatement procedure.


User currently offlineHawkeye2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

Hey, don't rag on me. I never misunderstood you.

So I guess you didn't fly UA? What airline did you fly? WN? AA? Someone else?


User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2819 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1177 times:

Hawkeye2, I was on WN. I usually fly UA (for channel 9) or AA (for legroom), but WN had the lowest fare.

User currently offlineFlygga From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1131 times:

Continental,

Well if you read the post more carefully you would see that he did not say "I spoke to MY first officer". Instead it says, "I spoke to THE first officer". As for him expecting a certain arrival, I believe he a frequent flyer on that route and knows what to expect. When I fly on familiar routes, I too expect certain arrivals and departure routes. Some of us actually enjoy studying SIDS, STARS, and ATC procedures.

Richard Silagi




User currently offlineFlygga From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

Continental, You may have lots of knowledge but it seems you do not have much wisdom. As far as I am concerned you are welcome to post here, but if you are going to acuse someone of something you better know what you are talking about. Instead of being critical of people in your post, why dont you stick to technical issues that you have knowledge of and where you can share your expertise.

Richard Silagi


User currently offlineAv8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1071 times:

Re: "I thought you couldn't get a Commercial License until you were 21!!"

Nope. You "must be at least 18 years of age".

Commercial Requirements


User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5522 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1051 times:

Sweet! It's 21? I'm only 15 but I already have 36 hours. I will get my PPL as soon as I can. I'll probably work on my Commercial right after I turn 18.

Continental


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