Sponsor Message:
Aviation Technical / Operations Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Temperature Deviation  
User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2789 posts, RR: 5
Posted (12 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14933 times:

What purpose does temperature deviation information serve to pilots?

My understanding is the temperature deviation is the difference between the temperature at altitude and ISA. And my understanding of ISA is 15 degrees celcius at sea level with each 1000 feet decreasing in two degrees of temperature. Can someone please confirm or deny this formula?

Thank you,
Modesto2

4 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14904 times:

I can confirm it. It's what's called the International Standard Atmospheres lapse rate (ISA LR). And you are right, it is 2 degrees C per 1000 feet. This is very useful in estimating freezing levels.

What the lapse rate (LR) is is actually a measure of atmospheric stability.

The actual lapse rate varies from airmass to airmass, and is determined by this formula:

LR=Temp(bottom)-Temp(top)/Thickness of layer

When you compare it to the Dry Adiabatic Lapse Rate (DALR), you can tell how stable or unstable the airmass is. The DALR is a constant 3 degrees C per 1000 ft.

When:
LR > DALR = Unstable atmosphere
LR = DALR = Nuetral atmosphere
LR < DALR = Stable

We can get into why this is if you want, but it's sort of outside the scope of the original question.

Remember one thing though: Temperature and Dewpoint don't converge at the ISA LR. They have their own. It's 2.4 degrees C per 1000 feet. This is very useful in estimating cloud bases.

And regarding the term "temperature deviation," I've never heard it before, and I can't find it in the glossaries of my weather books. But, in answer to your question, it's really quite important to know about the temperature. It goes into computing, well a lot of critical information, such as takeoff/landing distance, density altitude, true airspeed, and the list goes on.

Hope this helps. Fire away if you need me to clear anything up.

'Speed


User currently offlineBjones From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14883 times:

Some aircraft performance charts use temperature deviation (diference + or - from standard at that altitude) to adjust for the affect of temperature. The numbers will be for standard day and then there will be a conversion factor for that altitude for every degree above or below standard.

User currently offline727pfe From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14883 times:

Since the air mass is denser at lower temperatures, the temp deviation is important in all performance calculations. We use the temp dev. to determine cruise speeds, cruise altitudes and fuel consumption. As an example, and aircraft may be able to climb to FL 330 on a standard day, with a positive temp dev. the same aircraft may only be able to climb to FL 310. IF you look at a cruise performance chart you will see a correction for temp dev. Usually you have an ISA line, then you will see ISA +5, ISA +10 etc.. Most will also give ISA -5, ISA -10 and so forth. A lot of pilots won't include a negative temp deviation, it's considered a pad.
Hope this helps.


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6796 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14852 times:

The ISA is actually based on meters, of course. ISA temp at sea level is 15 deg C and drops at a constant rate to 11000 meters where ISA temp is minus 56.5. So lapse rate is exactly 6.5 degrees C per thousand meters. Dunno whether that's geometric or geopotential height, tho.

Top Of Page
Forum Index

Reply To This Topic Temperature Deviation
Username:
No username? Sign up now!
Password: 


Forgot Password? Be reminded.
Remember me on this computer (uses cookies)
  • Tech/Ops related posts only!
  • Not Tech/Ops related? Use the other forums
  • No adverts of any kind. This includes web pages.
  • No hostile language or criticizing of others.
  • Do not post copyright protected material.
  • Use relevant and describing topics.
  • Check if your post already been discussed.
  • Check your spelling!
  • DETAILED RULES
Add Images Add SmiliesPosting Help

Please check your spelling (press "Check Spelling" above)


Similar topics:More similar topics...
B744 Cabin Temperature Controller posted Wed Jan 10 2007 11:42:29 by Radimz
Temperature Gradients: Effect On Fuselage posted Tue Dec 19 2006 09:21:14 by PLANAR
Mach 1, Temperature, And Pressure posted Mon Nov 13 2006 08:54:05 by Speedracer1407
Temperature And Reliability Of Equipment posted Mon Oct 30 2006 06:09:19 by Concentriq
Effect Of Temperature On Fuel Consumption & Height posted Sat Dec 24 2005 16:48:29 by Julesmusician
Cabin Temperature On Large Aircraft Who Controls? posted Fri Nov 18 2005 19:41:07 by Julesmusician
Magnetic Deviation/Wind & Runway Heading posted Mon Oct 3 2005 09:52:29 by Goinv
Mach Number / Temperature Rise posted Wed Jul 27 2005 03:45:16 by Blackbird
Typical Cargo Hold Temperature posted Sat Dec 11 2004 19:54:41 by Jfidler
Effect Of Altitude /temperature On Aircraft Range posted Thu Feb 12 2004 10:42:01 by Thestooges
Cargo Hold Temperature posted Mon Nov 3 2008 17:48:53 by ORDPIA
Deviation From Published Procedures posted Mon Oct 27 2008 14:40:26 by ANITIX87
Hi-bypass Turbine Air Temperature. posted Fri Jul 25 2008 14:28:04 by Hypersonic
Air Temperature At Cruise Levels posted Sun Jul 29 2007 01:12:36 by Pagophilus
Pressurizing/Temperature Controlling Cargo A/C posted Wed Jun 20 2007 17:49:36 by Airplanenut

Sponsor Message:
Printer friendly format