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MD-11 Range, Help Needed  
User currently offlineEjaymd11 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 193 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

What is the true range of the MD-11 standard, and ER? I've been hearing many different figures. Someone told me you would be lucky to get 6,500 NM out the ER, but then I hear the ER can make 8,000 NM. So what is the range, the true range the MD-11. Pilots and Mechs especially your response will be truly appreciated.

I also know that this has been discused before but like I said I get many different numbers.

Ejay MD-11

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User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

Well the numbers can stop!
Look up this site:
http://www.boeing.com
Select product information, Technical specifications and Range.


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2126 times:

Try this (PDF format):

http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/11-3-0.pdf

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineEjaymd11 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Thanks, but I have all this information, but like I said the numbers keep changing. A pilot told me that the range on the sites above look good on paper but is not the real, or accurate ranges of the MD-11. If the information is correct, what is the the problem with the range. Isn't it pretty close to its competitors?

Ejay MD-11


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2060 times:

The range given on the Boeing site is the MAX possible range I believe.In practise it is less.

User currently offlineVASI From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

When MDD introduced the MD-11 it did not meet the original range specification. Therefore MDD had to pay some compensation for airlines like Swissair, American Airlines, Delta.
With the years they offered some PIP's (Perfomance Improvement Package) which brought the range close to the original specification range. This came quite too late for some operators. For example Singapore Airlines cancelled their MD-11 orders in favour for the A-340.

As I fly frequently with the MD-11 to Asia I also had the chance to talk to some Swiss pilots. They told me, that the performance of each aircraft in the fleet is different, "each is individual". They only chose some aircraft for ultra-long haul routes whith almost critical range.
I can ask for more details on my trip in April!!!

VASI


User currently offlineMhsieh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1994 times:

How come some airline (Swissair)had PIP like drooping alierons while others(Delta) did not? Was there any disadvantages with having the PIP installed?

User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

The range quoted by manufacturers is normally the maximum range. This is difficult to achieve in practice as it assumes maximum fuel, which is not possible with a reasonable passenger / freight payload.

As VASI correctly suggests, each aircraft has slightly different fuel burn, and a percentage is applied to the standard fuel calculation to take this into account. Also some aircraft have a lower Basic Empty Mass (BEM) which will allow more fuel for a given passenger load (since all aircraft have the same MTOM) which in turn means more range.

Departure airport runway length / runway in use / weather conditions also has an impact, as a "Performance Limited Takeoff Mass" may be applied which is less than MTOM, meaning less fuel can be loaded for a given PAX load.

So in reality there is a different "potential range" for every single flight on every single aircraft.



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineAndrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1940 times:

Actually MD11 is very much like Airbus when you talk about dropping ailerons and elevators. This happens when the plane loses hydraulic power. So the elevators and ailerons just droop down.

This is certainly nothing to do with PIP. If you see carefully, all MD11 will have this dropping feature including Delta which will also happen.



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Ironically, a key sales loss for the MD-11 was SIA who ordered and then cancelled the MD-11 when MDD stated that it would fall short of range/payload requirements on the key SIN-CDG route. SIA ordered the A340 whose performance also fell short of expectations on this route, after delivery.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineHeavyCapt From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

MNL to LHR nonstop on an ER. 16:45 as I recall

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5564 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Swiss says for their MD 11 13000 km (ap 8000 mi) with full pax, no cargo.

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