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User currently offlineSleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2046 posts, RR: 22
Posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2256 times:

Is it possible to find out how much horsepower is generated by, say, the engines on a 757 rather than in pounds of thrust?


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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3741 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2240 times:
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Well, I wouldn't be able to tell you how many horsepowers are equivalent to 1 pound of thrust but I read in a book, how to fly a 747, that the whole power a 747 would generate during flight is equivalent to 500000 horsepowers. So think about it, each 747 engine generates 56-58000 lbs of thrust, multiply by 4, that is over 220000 lbs of thrust. So to simplify, I would say that 1 lb of thrust is equivalent to 2 horsepowers.
So to answer your question, each engine on a 757 generates roughly 80000 horsepowers. Hope this clarifies your query.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



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User currently offlineAA_Cam From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

Just a side note:

Horsepower is plural...

Cameron


User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Actually, this question has been asked by nearly every pilot who has ever flown a jet aircraft. Go back through A.net's archives and you will read some interesting posts. This is a very complex problem with several variables. In reality, we're trying to compare apples and oranges. I've seen viable formulas showing less than a 1:1 ratio and some that show the ratio as high as 3:1.


User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

It is simply not possible to directly convert thrust to power (measured in Watts by the way).

SailorOrion


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6796 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

I think at cruise altitude and speed today's high-bypass fans produce around a fifth of their static sea-level thrust. So if the 747 is producing 40,000+ lb (total for four eng) at, what, 480 knots? then by the definition of a horsepower that equals around 60,000 hp.

You can say that the engines are actually producing more power than that considering all the air they're churning up, but if you're just asking about useful power then that's it. People like to imagine that power is a difficult concept, and it can indeed be difficult deciding what to measure-- but once you've decided that, then the definition of power is simple.


User currently offlineSleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2046 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

I find it fascinating how far we've come in less than a century. From the elementary power of one horse to the thousands of pounds of thrust. What will the next century bring? Have the quantum leaps already been made, leaving us some scant tweaking to improve on them in the decades ahead, or will we continue to surpass current methods with mind-boggling advances? Let's face it - not much has happened since the first flight of the Concorde.


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User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

And the details of the matter:

The work done is the force times the distance.

The power is the work done divided by the time used.

So, here

Power = Thrust * Velocity, as the velocity is already the distance travelled divided by the time used.

As you can see, not only the output thrust but also the velocity affects the power output which is why you can't really translate thrust into horsepower.

Cheers,
Fred



I thought I was doing good trying to avoid those airport hotels... and look at me now.
User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6389 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2132 times:

If you look into the rolls-royce.com site, then you will notice that RR offers the Trent engine also for marine application - rated at 50MW. 50MW is well over 60,000 HP which corresponds quite well with the assumption that a 747 engine produces roughly 100,000 HP at max T/O power at sea level altitude.

Remember a ship engine has no limited duration T/O power rating - it is pure continuous power - and certainly at sea level altitude.  Big thumbs up

A few other things will probably further reduce the marine Trent power output: First of all a very efficient silencer in the chimney, but also the fact that it will run on less energetic and cheaper fuel oil instead of jet fuel.

The fan is exchanged with a gear box to drive the propeller. I don't know if they ever sold a marine Trent, but a proposed application is a large cruise liner in which it will increase comfort by reducing noise and vibration compared to a traditional and more fuel efficient diesel engine.

Regards, Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlinePeterba69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2126 times:

Here's a link with all of the units, conversions, etc.
http://www.bh.com/companions/aerodata/appendices/data-e/default.htm
And a handy calculator to use (bookmark it)
http://scientificcalculator.com/
Enjoy, and Happy teaching,
Peter


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