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User currently offlineCannibalZ3 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

How's the ATC in, say, Cuba, or Iran, or Iraq, or Libya, or North Korea?

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User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2972 times:

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User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3488 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 2899 times:


Tunis ATC cooperates greately with Tripoli,Lybia.The Lybian air space is not yet RVSM,and compared to our control,they remain tough on their procedures.
I remember the first days LAA returned into operation,pilots seem "astonished"when a controller gives"em a short cut !!!


User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3488 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2788 times:


Why do you call these countries unfriendly ???


User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

"Why do you call these countries unfriendly ???"

Cuba? Iran? Iraq? Libya? North Korea?
Think about it!!  Nuts


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5555 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

I have read often of pilots who transited Cuba's airspace (with approved flight plans, of course), and have always understood their ATC to have been very efficient and cordial.

Maybe we can get comments from any pilots who operate to la Habana regularly?



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User currently offlineCV640 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 952 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Cuba is very friendly and efficient. You do have to pay o cross their airspace, every US carrier does it that serves down south. They really have no special requirements and as long asyou treat them friendly and with respect they'll more then return the favor.

User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2395 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Afghanistan (pre 911): Nice chaps, very polite (G'day to Qantas, Sawasdee Krabp to Thai etc etc), good long range VHF installed just prior to 911 made communications excellent.
Iran: Not to bad at all, good VHF communications all the way through.
Iraq: Still has enforced no-fly zones so we don't go near there!


User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Sorry, In my reply to Ts-ior, I was talking about those countries politically rather than their ATC services.  Smile

User currently offlineHawkeye2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

US carriers that overfly Cuba (eg, any Miami-South America route) are restricted to specific airways over Cuba and a bit of trivia: due to the commercial embargo, airlines can't pay Cuba directly,but they have to "pay" a third party in Canada, I think, which is a front for Cuba's ATC.

User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Don't operate through their airspace all that regularly, but my only impression flying in / through Cuba has only been that of a very professional and friendly ATC service.

Off the top of my head I can't think of any country where ATC are not courteous and friendly if you are to them.



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User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

There is no such thing as an "unfriendly" country when it comes to ATC... But procedures or requirements may be different at times. If you fly a non-scheduled flight over certain areas, be sure to read their AIP and comply with some restrictions... I was required to land in Karachi, Pakistan once, on a delivery flight of an aircraft proceeding nonstop from Larnaka, Cyprus to Dacca, Brangladesh, apparently, the flight planning company had not seen that the AIP Pakistan required non-scheduled flights to land in Karachi or Islamabad. Many countries issue non-scheduled flights an "overflight permit" which is a code (letters/numbers) for such flights, be sure to have it ready when you enter their FIR and they request it... When some countries ask you for your "type and registration letters" it is not to shoot you down but merely to bill your operator accordingly for airway fees...
Skipper


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25761 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Cuba overflight charges are actually paid to the Cubana office in Panama.




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User currently offlineBsergonomics From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Remember that, each time an aircraft flies through your airspace, you get money for it - even if they don't land there. Therefore, it's in their interests to make thier airspace 'friendly'. For example, the NERC (initially supposed to be for only southern UK) - that's New En-Route Centre at Swanwick, the one that 'crashed' last moth - was paid for only by aircraft flying OVER the UK... if you believe the figures... overflights can be a very useful source of income.



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