Sponsor Message:
Aviation Technical / Operations Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Are These Airliner Or Military Contrails?  
User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

Hi guys.

The photographer states that 4 airliners just flew over his airliner in the photo below. Do you think it's possible that what the man with the camera thought were airliners are actually a flight of military aircraft, such as C-5 Galaxies, C-141 Starlifters or even Globemasters?

The reason I ask is because I've never seen airliners fly side by side like this. They are always in trail of one another along an airway....at least that's how they're separated over Toronto and the surrounding areas, where I live.

What do you guys think? I think they're military myself. (no disrespect meant to the photographer).


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Vasco Garcia



Chris  Smile


"Just a minute while I re-invent myself"
10 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlinePW4084 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

It's hard to tell, but at first glance I'd say those look like fighter contrails.

User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

Personally, I think that they are chemtrails and that it is part of a liberal conspiracy to subdue us.  Big grin


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

...they passed overhead three seconds before the pic-- if so, that makes airliners even less likely. For that matter, military transports look unlikely too, if they passed three seconds before.

But I think you're right-- even two airliners side by side would be fairly uncommon.


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6340 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

Four airliners over northen Illinois is not uncommon. The seperation is sufficient. Four US Air Force transports is unlikely, and fighters would be much closer together.

I vote for the airliners.



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1922 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

Piedmonts logic makes the most sense to me

I have seen 2 airliners (coincidently over IL actually) flying in a patter like that. We were @ 41k and they tracked below us, but was pretty cool all the same.

I also figure military would be much tighter. And 4 seconds, with a combined speed of ~1100mph would account for the planes not being in the shot.



They're not handing trophies out today
User currently offlineJetdoctor From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

Those look like F-16 contrails from the Air National Guard (single jetstream)

They are still up there around ORD, just not seen very often

RT



Break ground, and head into the wind. Don't break wind and head into the ground.
User currently offlinePW4084 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

The factors pointing to fighters to me is the appearance of the contrail as jetdoctor said and the fact that it could be Combat Air Patrol. I wonder what kind of lateral spacing that is. Maybe a few NM or so?

PW4084


User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1372 times:

With all respect,
I do think Vasco knows what he photographs.
He is one of the "big guns" when it comes to photograph A/C's.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

Hi guys.

As I mentioned, I in now way, shape, or form, intended to insult Vasco's abilty to identify aircraft. This photo simply made me curious because I've never seen 4 airliners flying "Line Abreast" / "side by side" like that before. Because I thought that the seperation between these airliners seem rather abnormal...I thought of military Heavy Iron as a possability.

I also thought that the contrails looked like they could belong to a flight of fighter jets on patrol because of the shape of the contrails, however, I figured that even though Vasco said he was slow at taking the shot (obviously he was surprised), I figured he likely saw the size of the aircraft. A 747 or A340 has 4 engines, but so do C-5's and C-141's.

Regarding fighter jets, I'm sure they don't always fly in "tight" formation with only the lead pilot looking forward. That way they can scan the skies better without worrying about hitting each other.

Perhaps Jetguy is correct....They are chemtrails of Valium meant to keep Illinois mellow!

Chris  Smile






"Just a minute while I re-invent myself"
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

The claim that they flew overhead three seconds before pretty well rules out airliners, if it's true. If it's true, then they're now maybe a half-mile away from the camera, but they only spread across a fifth of the frame width. If the shot was taken with a 50 mm (and it looks rather like that, wouldn't you say?) then that means they are 8 degrees apart; since they're half a mile away that makes them a small fraction of a mile apart.

Yes, they may not be side by side, and the lens might be wider-- but there's no way they can be miles apart if they all flew overhead three seconds before. Or anything like it.

By the way: does Illinois look like that?


Top Of Page
Forum Index

Reply To This Topic Are These Airliner Or Military Contrails?
Username:
No username? Sign up now!
Password: 


Forgot Password? Be reminded.
Remember me on this computer (uses cookies)
  • Tech/Ops related posts only!
  • Not Tech/Ops related? Use the other forums
  • No adverts of any kind. This includes web pages.
  • No hostile language or criticizing of others.
  • Do not post copyright protected material.
  • Use relevant and describing topics.
  • Check if your post already been discussed.
  • Check your spelling!
  • DETAILED RULES
Add Images Add SmiliesPosting Help

Please check your spelling (press "Check Spelling" above)


Similar topics:More similar topics...
What Exactly Causes And/or Are These Bubbles? posted Sat Jul 29 2006 00:15:34 by Golftango
What Are These Intakes For On The 777? posted Wed Nov 1 2006 04:13:28 by Gh123
What Type Are These Seats From? posted Tue Feb 28 2006 22:39:34 by BaylorAirBear
What Are These Called? posted Sat Jan 21 2006 00:52:10 by United787
Why Are These 767 Inlets Asymetrical? posted Sun Oct 16 2005 07:21:42 by Bio15
What Are These "wires" On Bae146 posted Sat Aug 27 2005 21:40:13 by Goinv
Are These L-1011 Naca Ducts Heated? posted Sun Oct 17 2004 22:18:09 by Mr Spaceman
Are These Antennas Beside The Runway? posted Sat May 22 2004 20:52:15 by Mr Spaceman
Are These Real Aircraft posted Mon Feb 9 2004 16:12:55 by HAWK21M
Are These Guys Nuts? posted Mon Apr 21 2003 22:14:34 by MASB747

Sponsor Message:
Printer friendly format