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What Parts Of The World Have No ATC Radar Coverage  
User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 490 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7540 times:

Besides the oceans (of course)  Smile, where in the world is there no ATC RADAR coverage?

Eg, which parts above N. America, S. America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica is there no monitoring by ATC RADAR, and pilots have to give position reports by the radio?

Just curious! Thanks!

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User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7537 times:

Small parts of the US I assume in Navada and near Idaho. Northern Canada?
The poles, outback of Aus. Western and Northern part of China. I heard a lot of SA but Im not sure. Pilots have to give position reports using HF radio or VHF. I heard once that a pilot gave a wrong position. The plane crashed and it took days for them to be found. Happened in SA.
Also there is no radar coverage in almost all of Africa and Siberia.



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineIsmangun From Indonesia, joined Jan 2001, 117 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7527 times:

Speaking of Siberia, I read an article about Aeroflot ops to Siberia in Flying Mag some times ago. The cockpit crews consist of Captain, F/O, F/E, Radio Operator, and a Navigator. What a crew composition!

regards,

ismangun.



If it's an Airbus, I'll take the bus...
User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7521 times:

Those are very old aircraft. All new aircraft use INS and GPS so there is no use for a navigator or a radio operator. F/E have been eliminated and replaced with advance flight control computers. Old aircraft used all 5. Not only in Russia but the combo was used for oceanic crossings as well.


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User currently offlineIsmangun From Indonesia, joined Jan 2001, 117 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7511 times:

Yes, indeed. The writer jumpseated in Aeroflot's 757 (or 767?) from New York to Moscow. Then he jumpseated again in a russian plane to siberia with those crew compo. I believe he wrotes the article sometimes in near 2000s.

regards,

ismangun.



If it's an Airbus, I'll take the bus...
User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7501 times:

North America generally has good radar coverage, entire USA, Southern part of Canada and Mexico/Carribean...
South America has rather poor coverage in its "Northern" parts... Brazil has full coverage drom the NE corner through Southern borders, but poor over the "Amazon basin"... Southern South America has good coverage, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay are excellent...
Africa is ... do we need to say what... inexistant except South Africa...
Europe, full coverage except some areas of Balkans... European Russia and Ukraine has full coverage...
Middle East, poor, except Saudi Arabia, and the "Gulf Area - UAE - Oman"...
Asia, poor everywhere, except Japan, South Korea and Taiwan...
Australia, good coverage from NE through South...
Did I forget any corner of the planet...???
(s) Skipper


User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7473 times:

Outback Australia has no radar coverage at all. This covers a large portion of the country- outback South Australia/Northern Territory/Northern Queensland/half of Tasmania and most of WA.

User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7419 times:

Thanks all!

Question for Ismangun: Does Indonesia not have radar coverage over the whole country? Or is it only in a few areas (biggest islands)?


User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7412 times:

B747skipper, you forgot Singapore and Malaysia.

9V-SVA



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User currently offlineIsmangun From Indonesia, joined Jan 2001, 117 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7408 times:

Ryu2:
Most of Indonesia's area are covered by Radar Service, (at least western part of it), but controllers tend quite lazy in providing adequate service. They still want us to give position reports and estimates. They also not quite organized among themselves.

Regards,

Ismangun.



If it's an Airbus, I'll take the bus...
User currently offlineSonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7376 times:

Il-62 also uses all five crewmembers, but I think western planes of the same time already had 3 crewmembers.

User currently offlineLZ-TLT From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 7380 times:

I wonder how nobody mentioned the atlantic routes...radar coverage is even nowadays thin to nonexistent and the ATC's have to use procedural control to cope with the traffic.

This was also the reason why the Il-62 has a crew of five - it was built primary for transpolar/transatlantic/transsiberian flights, and as well as on the atlantic routes as in siberia navaids are almost not present. And, remember, it was designed in the mid-60's, so definitively INS was NOT an option for navigation. The DC-8's/B-707's of these years had a built-in sixtant for navigation on such routes, and there was a rule that either one of the crewmembers must hold a full navigator license or there must me an extra navigator onboard when flying transpolar routes for example.


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