Mirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7428 posts, RR: 63 Posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2588 times:
From an excerpt of a trip report I posted long ago....
"We turned onto 31L and immediately the engines began their arduous groan and pulled up and settled into a 180-degree turn, now heading EAST along the south coast of Long Island. We maintained that headingas far as as Republic Airport (FRG) then began to turn North towards the LI Sound then west again
I live on a major intersection and was actually able to see my home as we turned near Republic(FRG)! Cool way to wave bye to the folks at home!
OK, on this flight, we were heading to LAX. Why did the plane t/o off heading west only to loop east and turn west again after backtracking 45 miles in the opposite direction? I'd been meaning to ask for a few months now.
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David B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 6 Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2537 times:
The plane did this in order to take off into the wind. After then the 180 I assume is to aviod the no-fly zone over Manhattan after 9/11. I dont know if it has been lifted in the time period your talking about but I dont see any other reason for it. Maybe it to do with the jet stream or traffic.
Jeff G From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 431 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2535 times:
Depending on traffic flow and the departure fix, that wide 360 is the only way to get enough altitude to clear the traffic around EWR and LGA. Happens all the time. BTW, FRG is only about 20miles up the road, or less than 5 minutes away.
Timz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6646 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2514 times:
FRG may be a little farther east than usual, but departures out of JFK routed over GAYEL typically pass northbound over Hicksville. I'd guess flights to California go via the Robbinsville VOR more often (which means a more direct departure) but GAYEL is not uncommon at all. Keep an eye out for them at 12000 feet or so the next time you're out there.
Jcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2504 times:
Yea.. it has happened to me many times on different flights, especially out of JFK. We usually do what you said if we are taking off on 31L, make that turn over Belle Harbor, up the "coast" and then back towards the "mainland". I wondered about that too and also thought to avoid traffic, but wasn't sure.. Good thread Mirrodie!
B747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2343 times:
Departing from 31L at JFK, right after takeoff you turn left, either direct to Carnarsie VOR, or to Bridge NDB... this is the standard departure that I have known since the 1970s... way before the events of 9/11... 2001... It is due to conflicting traffic from EWR departures.