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Why Was Our Flight Path As Follows?  
User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2920 times:
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From an excerpt of a trip report I posted long ago....

"We turned onto 31L and immediately the engines began their arduous groan and pulled up and settled into a 180-degree turn, now heading EAST along the south coast of Long Island. We maintained that headingas far as as Republic Airport (FRG) then began to turn North towards the LI Sound then west again

I live on a major intersection and was actually able to see my home as we turned near Republic(FRG)! Cool way to wave bye to the folks at home!


OK, on this flight, we were heading to LAX. Why did the plane t/o off heading west only to loop east and turn west again after backtracking 45 miles in the opposite direction? I'd been meaning to ask for a few months now.





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User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

The plane did this in order to take off into the wind. After then the 180 I assume is to aviod the no-fly zone over Manhattan after 9/11. I dont know if it has been lifted in the time period your talking about but I dont see any other reason for it. Maybe it to do with the jet stream or traffic.


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User currently offlineJeff G From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 436 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Depending on traffic flow and the departure fix, that wide 360 is the only way to get enough altitude to clear the traffic around EWR and LGA. Happens all the time. BTW, FRG is only about 20miles up the road, or less than 5 minutes away.



User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

Yeah, I would say it was to avoid traffic. You gained altitude during the loop, which took you above the safety zone for departing traffic at the other airports

Departure routes at the NY metro airports are weird like that.

redngold



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2845 times:
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Sorry to say this was before Sept 11.

SO it IS to avoid EWR and TEB traffic. I intuitively though so but wasnt sure. THanks.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

FRG may be a little farther east than usual, but departures out of JFK routed over GAYEL typically pass northbound over Hicksville. I'd guess flights to California go via the Robbinsville VOR more often (which means a more direct departure) but GAYEL is not uncommon at all. Keep an eye out for them at 12000 feet or so the next time you're out there.

User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

The pilot probably did it to confuse people like you  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineJcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Yea.. it has happened to me many times on different flights, especially out of JFK. We usually do what you said if we are taking off on 31L, make that turn over Belle Harbor, up the "coast" and then back towards the "mainland". I wondered about that too and also thought to avoid traffic, but wasn't sure.. Good thread Mirrodie!


User currently offlineNightcruiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

He probably took this route to catch effective wind currents and to avoid travelling above the restricted airspace above New York City.

User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2732 times:
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Restricted airspace? What restricted airspace was in effect above NYC BEFORE 9/11? read the posts above, thanks.


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User currently offlineJcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

Mirrodie.. i feel your pain, people just skim down to the bottom and give their 2 cents. Also:

I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY MORE RESTRICTED AIRSPACE OVER NYC FOR COMMERCIAL JETS.

Why? Because they fly over every part every time...


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2663 times:
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Actually, the reason why I reinterated that was b/c I had said above...Sorry to say this was before Sept 11. Either way, thanks all.





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User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

Departing from 31L at JFK, right after takeoff you turn left, either direct to Carnarsie VOR, or to Bridge NDB... this is the standard departure that I have known since the 1970s... way before the events of 9/11... 2001... It is due to conflicting traffic from EWR departures.
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User currently offlineJcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Yea, I know you said it was before 9/11 which people didn't get, but also, there is no more restricted airspace at least i think, so it shouldn't even be an issue

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