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Is This A Steep Climb For An A340?  
User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Posted (12 years 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3676 times:
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Is it?

Or maybe its just the angle?

I saw an SAS 340 lift off yesterday and it wasnt nearly this steep.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/268368/M/

-jblu

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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3541 times:

It is impossible to determine the climb angle of the aircraft from a still photograph. What you can tell is the pitch attitude, which in this picture is quite high, but that is not related to climb angle.

It is quite feasable, though unlikely, for the aircraft in this picture not to be climbing at all.



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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

Hello JBLUA320, the A340's pitch angle does look nice and steep to me, however, it doesn't look abnormal, compared to the A340s I see climbing out of Toronto's YYZ.
Perhaps the flight crew have been airborne long enough to already rotate the A340 to this high pitch / deck angle, which has resulted in reaching their desired airspeed for this phase of climbout. Just a thought.

I find that the farther away you are, the easier it is to tell how steep an airliner is actually climbing out. The point of view matters a lot.

Chris  Smile



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User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

Thats nothin'................did you see the clip of a A319 taking off from Orange Country Airport in CA? Looks like a rocket ship.


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User currently offlineDnalor From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

I'll see if I can find the pic from the air show at Avalon Vic Aust 92. Airbus had the then brand new 340 there going thru it's paces. Doing more than on pass at very low speed AOT looked to be somewhere between 30-40degrees, hanging on the excess thrust.

User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3262 times:
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I was a video of the takeoff of that plane... but that seemed just steep for tests and show.. nothing that would be normal during regular commercial use.

-jblu


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Geez that is steep, even if it weren't that would be a pretty high Angle-of-Attack don't you think?

Alarming Question: Where is that yellow tower in the right side in relation to the plane? the tip looks like it is before the tailplane, yet the foreground proves otherwise. Or the plane is farther away?



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User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

I'm with Lehpron on this, I'm sure there is a simple photographical explanation, but that is really odd to me.

George



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User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3486 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3147 times:


If it's not the angle on which the photo has been taken,the aircraft wouldn't be highly loaded that day.This angle could be seen after the gears had been retracted,but it's not the case !!!
My explanation is as follows :

Air Jamaica's MAN-MBJ may not be a busy route.
The flight is full to its 3/4 at max.
The route isn't so long comparing to the A340 range,and though the aircraft isn't full of kerozene.

I think this would make the pitch angle as important !!!


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

Alarming Question: Where is that yellow tower in the right side in relation to the plane? the tip looks like it is before the tailplane, yet the foreground proves otherwise. Or the plane is farther away?

It is in front. This aircraft is rotating quite a way from where the photo was taken, and the lens used has a long focal length, so the aircraft would appear closer than it actually is compared to the foreground (because a telephoto lens compresses all the foreground), and thus making everything else not in the DOF appear to be behind, when in fact its in front.

mmm  Smile


User currently offlineGoodbye From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 913 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

 Confused *Scratches his head, trying to make head or tail of Dan's last sentence*  Confused

User currently offlineSkyguy11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

David, can you give me a link to that clip? SNA is my home sweet home and yes, we do get some steep departures outta here.

User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

The T/O of the A319 is nothing that would be used during a normal T/O with pax if it wasn't for a problem with the A/C.
So that's nothing we would see on a normal departure.
The pilot of the A319 was just having some fun, without pax.



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