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Recording Radio Communciations?  
User currently offlineSophiemaltese From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2064 posts, RR: 3
Posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

I've heard that it is possible to plug a tape recorder through your headset somehow and record your conversations with ATC. I heard somewhere that a student pilot did this and it helped him. I just can't figure out how exactly to do it. My tape recorder doesn't have the same size jack as the headphones do...there's gotta be something you buy in put between your headphones and the jack in the plane but I don't know what? Anyone?

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User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

Suggestion - no advertisement - take your earphone/mike assembly and your tape recorder to a Radio Shack store or something equivalent, and tell them you want "y" plugs to record from your airplane... all it takes is some adapter plugs of the proper size...


User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

You might run into an impedence problem, so don't test it on a tape recorder and headphones that you like.


At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineLearpilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Well, I typed this once and it didn't post so here it comes again.

WELCOME BACK SKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea, yea, I know, but it needed to be said.

Sophie, check the Sporty's catalogue. I think they may already make something like this. If it's in sporty's though, it costs about 3x what it's worth.

Sorry if this comes up twice.



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User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

Be careful about using Y cords. Aircraft audio systems are very different than consumer electronics. As mentioned before be aware of the impedance.

Also, don't ever use a Y cord in the microphone circuit. Aircraft microphone circuits use a DC bias voltage that needs to be de-coupled before introducing it to any additional equipment. Again, impedances will pose a problem.


User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

yes sophie, forgot about impedance problem, had a bad experience one day...
xxx
a first officer once "plugged in" his new "Sony" hi-fi (and comfy) earphones to the communication system, we had total loss of communications (reception) until we could fix it by him unplugging these earphones...
xxx
be careful, if it does not work, unplug all of it, and get back to basics...
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineLortab 7.5mg From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 805 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Sophie,

Maybe you can use a stenograph, though it might be a little cumbersome.  Big grin



User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5489 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

Sophie (or, should I say, Sophie's person)-

Many of the aircraft intercom systems have a "record-out" connection; are you flying only one particular aircraft, or are you at the mercy of a fleet of (exquisitey-maintained) 152s? In any event, check out the panel for the intercom you're using.

You could even buy a basic 2-place intercom with the referenced connections for less than $100.00, and use it when you are flying.

You almost done with that PPL? Get it over with, girl, then you can go out and fly whenever you want (and the WX cooperates), like I did today. One of these days, I'm flying to New Orleans for... well, because flying is fun. Which airport is best for GA ops there? More importantly, where is one most likely to run into vous?




...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2842 times:

Sophie....

The simplest was I can think of is to go ahead and by a handheld scanner from Radio Shack (I have a Pro-79) and then run a Male-Male cable from the headset jack on it to the tape deck, digital recorder, mini-cassette recorder, what ever you want to record with.

Since it is all consumer connections the impuence won't be an issue. Just make sure you have good batteries in the scanner and in the recorder. Since it is completely independent of the aircraft you can use in it in whatever you fly and not worry about having the right plugs, any plugs or matching impedence and it will be extremely portable too since it doesn't depend on any connections to the aircraft.

You just need to remember to either, A set the scanner to each frequency you wish to transmit when you change frequencies (That might be a pain especially in busy airspace, maybe take along a freind to do this Big grin ), or B go ahead an program in a set of frequencys that you commonly use (you will lose some transmissions if the scanner locks onto somebody else on another band transmitting).

Besides it isn't a bad idea to have an aircraft band scanner anyway, in case of a radio failure you can at least hear everybody else, even if you can't transmit.

My scanner was a middle of the road model at Radio Shack and set me back about 100 bucks.

L-188.....Former U.S. Army Signal Corps.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

I should add that a good lower end scanner you are probably looking at about 80 dollars and the male-male cable that I have ran about four bucks.


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User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

And... don't go waving your recordings around. Here, and I think in most of the world, you're not supposed to tell anyone what you hear on the air band, leave alone record it.

Cheers,
Fred



I thought I was doing good trying to avoid those airport hotels... and look at me now.
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

There shouldn't an issue in the US.

Signals transmitted are generally considered "public domain" just like your trash can. Cell Phones are the big exception. That was only Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman made a big stink about an over-the cordless phone fight of they had ending up on the front page of the Enquirer. It also happened to some big-wig politician too which helped getting wireless phone conversations covered by the wiretapping laws.

There are some local laws about police bands and such but I don't know of any involving aircraft radio bands, especially if you are a party to those conversations.

At face value I don't see an issue with doing this.




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User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Dear L-188 - yes all that is "free" and "public domain" in North America...
xxx
But dont forget many of our friends here are not living in that area... In my old days I was often based temporarily in distant countries and... I am a radio "ham"... used to tote a very nice radio receiver with me before my "nowadays" toting a laptop... that radio receiver was often the subject of concern from some custom agents in these countries, because it had the full HF/SSB or VHF bands reception capability...
xxx
Listening to the BBC News probably was a security concern for these people...
VHF aircraft and some parts of the HF/SSB bands are occasionally "off limits" for out friends overseas... let us not forget about that...
xxx
Some rules are ridiculuous to you or to me (right about that)... As a pilot, one day, my "Swiss Army knife" was once confiscated from me from an overzealous security agent in Saudi Arabia... and stepping into that terminal to wait for my flight... I was surprised to see "Swiss Army knives" for sale in the airport stores... in the "secure" areas... how ridiculous...
xxx
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

Granted skipper,

But Sophie is a New Orleans Girl Big grin






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User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Here, they're public domain allright. You can listen to the airband (or any other frequency you care to monitor) all you like. The police frequencies are off limits if you're in a car, that's it. I can very handily turn on/off reception of the policeband on my radio with the push of a button though - "No, officer, I'm only listening to the air traffic above, listen for yourself"... Big grin You just can't pass on any information you happen to pick up on the air band and I think recording is illegal as well. Distributing recordings certainly is.

In many parts of the world, even having an airband receiver is illegal. However, from what I hear the ban is not enforced in many of these countries.

Cheers,
Fred




I thought I was doing good trying to avoid those airport hotels... and look at me now.
User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

During our army days, we had this simple slogan that I feel would apply to this case of recording transmissions or even listening.... "do anything you want but dont' get caught".... sounds logical to me? does it to u?

regards
ttt




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User currently offlineSophiemaltese From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2064 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

Actually, I wanted to record in the plane so I can hear the different people I am talking to. When I fly cross country everything goes so fast and I think it would help to be able to go back and listen to it again. That would be hard to do with a scanner but I would like to buy one. My CFI has a transceiver (is that what it's called?) and one time I was in the pattern solo and was very surprised to hear his voice asking the controller to ask me to land. The weather was getting a little too bad and I felt like a little girl with daddy calling her in from playing. I actually was planning on landing anyway.

Scuttler, I feel like I'll never finish my PPL. It seems if it's not bad WX, then I have no money to fly, or I am going out of town, or my CFI is out of town, or I have a big test, or always something. The weather and money are actually the worst obstacles. I was all set to do a solo XC Sunday and the weather changed my plans. I swear it storms here like every single day.

And I fly at NEW.


User currently offlineCdfmxtech From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1338 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

I can hear the gate calls already!!

User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Thats life in the South East for you. There are times it seems like I can never go flying.


At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5489 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2705 times:

Hang in there, girl. When I was just about done, we hit a stretch of WX that had me screaming- every weekend was too rainy, or the crosswind component was too much for solo release. I finally scheduled the check ride (not to be confused with a Czech ride, which is a drive to the bakery for kolaches), and took some time away from the office to get ready.

Hey, that's what credit cards are for. Do the final push in one quick clump, before you start to see the charges on the credit card statement.

Anyway, when I head down to NEW (that's one cool looking airport), I'll make you take me flying to show off your consummate skills. Then I'll buy the beignets.




...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2694 times:

There are many legitimate products out there (such as King or Sporty's videos) that have all kinds of recorded radio transmissions on them, so if they can get away with it, I'm sure it's not illegal in the U.S.


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5489 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2689 times:

Ummm, is this thing broken?

Check, check.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5489 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2699 times:

oops... browser cache strikes again!

Recording radio transmissions, in the USA, is completely legal. Exception is the interception and recording of cellular telephone call signals.

You can also buy digital recorders which are designed to plug in between the headset and the intercom.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
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