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Confused About PIC Cross Country Time  
User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 14
Posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Hello, Im confused about the 50 hours of cross country PIC time that is needed for an instrument rating. If I am taking up a friend that is not a pilot on a cross country, will the time go towards my PIC XC time that I need for my instrument rating? Or is the only way to get PIC XC time by flying with a safety pilot while wearing foggles?
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-Sushka


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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41x From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4189 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4297 times:

PIC time= time when you are the sole manipulator of hte flight controls (except in the case of a flight instructor.. we are PIC when we are yelling at you too.) So put 2 and 2 together, and figure this one out yourself. Big grin


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User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

Ok I got that part. But why do pilots want to wear foggles when flying XC with a sefety pilot? is it just to get simulated instrument time?


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User currently offlineLearpilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

Nope, no need for foggles. Just hop in, pick somewhere that's 50 NM away and has a good restaurant, and bring your girlfriend. Yes, it will count towards the 50 hours XC. Have fun!


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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

PIC time= time when you are the sole manipulator of hte flight controls (except in the case of a flight instructor.. we are PIC when we are yelling at you too.) So put 2 and 2 together, and figure this one out yourself.

Even if you are flying with a CFI, you can log to XC time as PIC as long as you are properly rated in the aircraft and are the sole manipulator of the controls, even if the CFI is actually the PIC. Note the distinction between "serving as PIC" and "logging PIC time".



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User currently offlineIllini_152 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

There are two reasons why pilots will fly under the hood with a safety pilot. One, I've done many times, is to remain insturment current. Once you get the rating, you need to complete 6 approaches, a hold, and "interception and course tracking" every six months. This can be done in the course of normal operations, but most pilots that do not fly professionally find it difficult to shoot that many approaches in 6 months while just up flying. So they'll go up with a safety pilot.

The other big one is pilots who are building time. The way the regs read, there is a differance between ACTING as PIC and LOGGING PIC flight time. Suffice it to say, the acting PIC is whomever is responsable for the safe outcome of the flight (safety pilot), and you can log PIC flight time anytime you are ACTING as PIC. However, they go on to say you can LOG PIC flight time anytime you are sole manipulator of the controls OR (and thats the significant OR) are acting as PIC in an operation that requires more than one crew member.

So when two rated pilots are in an airplane, the one flying under the hood is logging PIC flight time as sole manipulator, while the safety pilot is acting PIC, responsable for the safe outcome of the flight, and is ALSO logging PIC. That's why you hear pilots going out and doing that; it allows two pilots to build time while splitting the cost of the aircraft.

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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

Here are some links to some good resources on logging PIC time.

http://www.awp.faa.gov/fsdo/art_pilot.htm

ftp://av-info.faa.gov/data/640otherfaq/pt61-17.doc or
ftp://av-info.faa.gov/data/640otherfaq/pt61-17.pdf



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