Ryu2 From Taiwan Region, joined Aug 2002, 427 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2271 times:
I flew UA ICN-NRT today, and was listening to 'Channel 9', the ATC feature. I noticed that on our frequency, we only had non-Korean flights, and Inchon control pointed out 'traffic' in our vicinity, which I did not hear transmitting on our frequency.
Since I saw several Korean Air and Asiana aircraft depart ICN about the same time we did headed to Japan as well, I assume they must be in the air as well -- do the Korean planes use a different frequency with a Korean speaking controller, and foreign planes speak on a English frequency? And the controller points out the traffic, which are the Korean or Asiana planes? I notice that the Korean planes spoke Korean with ICN ground, unlike say, Japan, where all planes, even Japanese planes, speak English.
Is that assumption of dual languages/frequencies correct? If this is how it works, is that a safety problem?
Ryu2 From Taiwan Region, joined Aug 2002, 427 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2174 times:
So, do they have a formal English only rule in Korea which is not enforced? Or is English just a "recommendation"?
I heard that when Air France tried to get their pilots to speak English in France instead of French, they nearly revolted... wonder how the situation is in Korea?
Cx flyboy From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Dec 1999, 5571 posts, RR: 61 Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2151 times:
Shanghai is close by, and they are either using the same frequency, or there is a lot of breakthrough, because I can normally hear Chinese spoken on the frequency.
KAL_LM From United States, joined Jun 2001, 497 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2135 times:
I've had this discussion with several of the pilots that come through here and technically, English is to be used, and usually is. ALthough I do know thatthe Korean crews do talk to ground ops in Korean and may also talk to ATC that way. But techincally it should be English.
regards,
Tom
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Ryu2 From Taiwan Region, joined Aug 2002, 427 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2136 times:
KAL_LM, that's interesting to hear about Korean planes speaking English in Korea.
From listening to UA Channel 9, it's also the case in Japan that English is to be used, even by Japanese planes. But in China's airspace, all the Chinese airlines speak Chinese (Mandarin), so English only is obviously not the case for all countries. Perhaps the English rule may be due to US military traffic and US military controlled ATC zones in Japan and Korea, maybe?
Tsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2008 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2104 times:
I reckon if you've heard China Southern / China Eastern and gang transmit on ATC, you'd be more comfortable with them heeding to instructions in Mandarin once they're in China...
I think in another post, Mandala499 mentioned that CGK clearance had to enlist the help of a CX pilot to translate what they wanted to say to one particular Chinese airline in Mandarin!
Sudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 3200 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2100 times:
Isn't this worrying that all pilots can't speak english, as that is the aviation language?
Don't it raise the risk that something could happen one day due to that the pilot could not understand ATC, and would make a misstake?
KLAX From Japan, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2085 times:
The ICAO approves a couple different languages that are allowed to be used in countries that speak the respective language, although non-speaking pilots and controlers may and usually must revert to English. If I remember correctly, the languages are:
-Spanish
-Chinese
-English
-French
-Portugese
Ryu2 From Taiwan Region, joined Aug 2002, 427 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2005 times:
CX flyboy -- might the Chinese you have heard over frequency be Chinese planes talking to one another? While I was flying UA and listenning to Channel 9, I have heard Chinese aircraft talk to each other (obviously in Chinese) over public ATC frequencies in Japan before. (I suppose that's a nono, right?)
Jgarrido From Guam, joined Mar 2007, 237 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 808 times:
Quoting Sudden (Reply 9): Isn't this worrying that all pilots can't speak english, as that is the aviation language?
Don't it raise the risk that something could happen one day due to that the pilot could not understand ATC, and would make a misstake?
It happens but some airlines have people on board who speak English as a first language to help the pilots understand the communication from English speaking controllers. I've heard the "round-eye" parroting my instructions in the background on many a JAL flight.
Mir From United States, joined Jan 2004, 12969 posts, RR: 65 Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 805 times:
Quoting Tsentsan (Reply 8): I reckon if you've heard China Southern / China Eastern and gang transmit on ATC, you'd be more comfortable with them heeding to instructions in Mandarin once they're in China...
KELPkid From United States, joined Nov 2005, 4122 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 803 times:
In Mexico the controllers speak Spanish until someone on frequency starts speaking "La Idioma Otra" Even then, only the communcation between you and the controller is English, and the controllers that I've encountered in Mexico usually speak with a very thick accent and broken English
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IAHFLYR From United States, joined Jun 2005, 3386 posts, RR: 37 Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 759 times:
Quoting Ryu2 (Thread starter): I did not hear transmitting on our frequency.
Certainly not sure of how things are worked in Korea however it is very common for traffic to be issued from one sector about an aircraft in another sector, in which case you'd never hear the other aircraft. Most common when in sectors are on top of one another.
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Even then, only the communcation between you and the controller is English, and the controllers that I've encountered in Mexico usually speak with a very thick accent and broken English 
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