Sponsor Message:
Aviation Technical / Operations Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Larnaca Rwy 04 Approach, Anyone Tried It?  
User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

Hi all,

just flew to Larnaca, Cyprus and back this weekend. We were coming from Beirut airport and were to land on rwy 04 at Larnaca, in the airbus A320 of Cyprus airways. The flight is only 20 minutes, so the aircraft doesn't climb more than 10 or 15000ft.

Here's the weird part. At the last stages of descent, we were at about 1000ft when I saw a strip of runway to the right of the aircraft. It was short, ends on the shore and looked more like a road. I remember clearly saying the myself "this can't be the runway because we are so off the center I would miss it even if I was in a Cessna!"
and all of a sudden, the plane engages into a descending 30' bank to the right at less than 1000ft, goes on with the bank, it isn't steep or rough, just firm and regular. It stays in the bank, yet is descending closer and closer to the ground. At one point, we were almost entering the threshold, the ground just a few feet below us, and the aircraft still engaged in the same bank. Just before we flew above the tarmac, the aircraft went smoothly to straight and level, exactly aligned at the center of the runway. Being a PPL myself, I was very surprised as to how late pilots are allowed to be unaligned with the center of the runway. It is the first time this happens to me, there was no base/final turn, just a smooth descending roll that ended exactly at the runway threshold center.

So there are no rules whatsover against that kind of landing?
kay

11 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

Very unusual if it was as you described. Larnaca 04 is a pretty standard VOR or NDB straight-in approach, or more often a simple visual approach.

On the NDB or VOR you pretty much have to be established on the FAT (Final Approach Track) by 6 miles which is much further away than on the flight you described. On a visual approach (757) I would never want to be at less than 4 miles before being on track with a good height profile. You would still be at 1,200ft @ the 4 mile point on the 04 approach to LCLK.

Our company policy requires the aircraft to be fully stabilised on the approach in both lateral and vertical profiles at 1,000ft AAL at the latest.

Of course we can deviate from the standard operating procedures whenever necessary but only when safe conditions to do so exist and there is good reason.



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

I am no expert, but it sounds to me as if it was an offset ILS/LDA approach.

User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

But there isn't one at Larnaca... and I have the latest Jepps.


I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1966 times:

Have personally operated to Larnaca (ry04), visual approach in a Lockheed TriStar, rolled out on final at one mile at 300 feel agl. Not all that difficult if done properly.

User currently offlineCovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1453 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1947 times:

Why did you roll out so late, 411A?


thank goodness for TCAS !
User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

that's weird. When I got off the A320, I took another look at it to make sure it is not much smaller than the average narrow-body jet. It sure felt very nimble and agile by the way the pilot handled it.
Also, there is no space at all for correction in case he approaches too wide or too fast?

I mean, what about all the circuit patterns, ILS signals, PAPI/VASI etc? if on a good day it is so easy to just land the thing like it was a Cessna, not forbidden nor discouraged? not even slightly dangerous?


User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

Not "late" Covert, it was planned that way.
If you have ever done close-in circling in a jet, you would understand.
'Tis called...maintaining proficiency.


User currently offlineCovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1453 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

Never done that before, sorry didnt mean for it to sound that way...


thank goodness for TCAS !
User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

What's the big mystery here? The pilot simply flew a traffic pattern. Instead of distinct base to final legs he just flew a 180 from the downwind. That is perfectly legal and perfectly safe.

User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

ThirtyEcho,

Actually, the plane was never on downwind, just flew prependicularly until very close to the runway and very low, at which point it banked and landed.

it's no big deal, its just that this is the first time I witness this kind of landing. Never saw it before..

k


User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

Saw something like this in Changi Airport on both a CX 777-300 (CX2073) and RSAF KC-135/F-50 ... the CX was visual of 02L, and he was on downwind (I would say perpendicular to 02R) when he turned and when he completed the turn he was just above the threshold........ same with the KC-135/F50s however that came in on 20R... Very spectacular to watch though.


NO URLS in signature
Top Of Page
Forum Index

Reply To This Topic Larnaca Rwy 04 Approach, Anyone Tried It?
Username:
No username? Sign up now!
Password: 


Forgot Password? Be reminded.
Remember me on this computer (uses cookies)
  • Tech/Ops related posts only!
  • Not Tech/Ops related? Use the other forums
  • No adverts of any kind. This includes web pages.
  • No hostile language or criticizing of others.
  • Do not post copyright protected material.
  • Use relevant and describing topics.
  • Check if your post already been discussed.
  • Check your spelling!
  • DETAILED RULES
Add Images Add SmiliesPosting Help

Please check your spelling (press "Check Spelling" above)


Similar topics:More similar topics...
Powerplant Tech Support - Anyone Doing It? posted Fri Nov 18 2005 10:57:48 by UTA_flyinghigh
"Flicker Vertigo" - Anyone Experienced It? posted Wed Apr 14 2004 02:18:09 by Mr Spaceman
Speeding Will Anyone Admit It posted Sat Oct 19 2002 17:34:28 by XXXX10
The Pilatus PC-12...anyone Flown It Or On It? posted Thu Jun 20 2002 20:54:50 by Leftypilot79
Vans RV-10, Anyone Know Much About It? posted Sun Dec 10 2006 04:34:45 by ATCT
Stick It - Anyone Use This Product posted Thu Nov 24 2005 18:21:19 by HAWK21M
Anyone Work Cargo Ground Ops. - What's It Like? posted Tue Jun 1 2004 13:41:20 by Ps76
New Building Could Affect DCA Approach... posted Fri Dec 8 2006 19:19:21 by Bingo
Airport Depature And Approach Patterns posted Mon Dec 4 2006 00:51:20 by ANITIX87
Dewpoint: How Is It Calculated? posted Wed Nov 22 2006 04:24:49 by LTU932

Sponsor Message:
Printer friendly format