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A Lear-24 Bizjet With ECM Capabilities...Why?  
User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

Hi guys.

Are there any private civilian aviation uses for Electronic Counter Measures, or is ECM capability something that only a military needs?

The reason I'm asking is because of the photo below of a private Gates Lear-24 bizjet that's carrying an ECM pod through the skies over Sweden.

The only ECM uses I'm aware of involve the jamming of air & ground radar, and communications, etc, by military aircraft...which Sweden has many of. So what would this Learjet be up to?

A Lear-24 bizjet with an ECM pod.

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Photo © Peter Liander



Here's some aircraft that I normally think of that use ECM.

A Grumman EA-6B Prowler.

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Photo © Tony Zeljeznjak



A Grumman EA-6A Intruder with ECM pods.


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Chris  Smile




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User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

Perhaps the company makes such devices and the a/c is a testbed for them, that would also explain the flashy colors.

LY744.



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User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

Check out http://www.nygeaero.com/, it should make it a little clearer.  Smile

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29836 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

Phoenix Air does ECM training work with Lear 35's for the Navy.

They fly target tugs and simulate being soviet radar for ships to practice with.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

ECM comes in many flavors...

The obvious ECM pods aside, what you're starting to see on some biz jets are one of these... (scroll down about 2/3 of the way and look at the tailcone of the Gulfstream...)

http://www.propilotmag.com/October/article2_oct.html

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/lmis/level4/ircmprod.html

Air Force One, and the Shuttle Carrier are so equipped, among others....


User currently offlineCovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1456 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Don't forget about the Columbian druglords private jets....


thank goodness for TCAS !
User currently offlineErj-145mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Its an option from Gulfstream after a G-II took a SAM over Africa a few years ago. Not all areas are secure, and some yahoo's can't tell the difference between a biz jet and a military weapon delivery device.

Dave
QC Inspector
Expressjet
TYS


User currently offlineEssentialPowr From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1820 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2390 times:

erj-145mech:
I heard a rumor someone's reverse engineering an ERJ145 for a SIM...
true?


User currently offlineErj-145mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

True......a large sim manufacturing company has been here for the past week with one of our planes, taking measurements and weights in different loading configurations (fuel imbalance, etc). They're spending a ton of money on this project.

Dave
Expressjet
TYS


User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Hi guys.

Thanks for your replies.

>LY744, that was a great link to Saab Nyge Aero's website. It did explain exactly why their Learjet-24 had an ECM pod on her in 1987. Today the company's Special Flight Operations (SFO) division operates Learjet-35s, Mitsibishi Mu-2s, Cessna 310s and beech 2000s. They are a service center for both military & civilian aircraft where they complete training and inspections of various products and systems.

I had a feeling that this company was contracted out by the military, but forgot to mention it.

>OPNLguy, that link about the American International Group (AIG) was very interesting. Some of the security measures they take at AIG when their corporate aircraft are going to depart on an overseas trip are quite amazing, such as cross-matching blood types between the passengers and flight crew incase a transfusion proves necessary, thus no local blood sources will be needed. Both pax & flight crews need to use fingerprint scanners before gaining access to hangars. They have digital security cameras with satelite datalinks. They use armed guards with double-barrel shot guns to protect their aircraft while on the ground. Some of their aircraft have ECM capabilities to protect against surface-to-air missles, etc, etc, etc! WOW!

Chris  Smile



"Just a minute while I re-invent myself"
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13253 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

The UK services use Falcon 20's operated by FR Aviation fitted with ECM for training, most notably in the weekly simulated attacks on RN ships in the English Channel, the Falcon's work with BAe Hawks, the small jet trainers simulating anti-ship missiles.

User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Gulfstream offers an ECM option on its G-IV and G-V bizjets. I don't remember how much they want for the package, but it isn't cheap.

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