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User currently offlineBoeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 952 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

I have asked this question before in the 'other' forum, but have not gotten the answer I was looking for. In simple terms, what makes a magneto spin by itself? Supposedly it is the same concept as how a lanwmower keeps going!!

Thanks for any help on this

Boeing727

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User currently offlineATRpilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 1079 times:

While the engine is operating, the magneto is spun by the a shaft connected to the reduction gearing on the accessory section of the engine. But to get the whole process started, the magneto is equiped with an impulse coupling... basically a coiled peice of steel which acts like a spring. At engine speeds of between 400-600 RPM (during starter engagement), this impulse coupling coils until it reaches its full potentiality then releases, spinning the magneto shaft at a high enough speed for the electromagnet to produce enough electricity.

When the engine turns at higher than 400-600 RPM (after start), the impulse coupling is pulled away from the shaft by centrifugal force and the magneto is rotated normally.


User currently offlinePanman From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Aug 1999, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1039 times:

ATRPilot that is right only in some cases. And like you said in that case the magneto has an impulse coupling that consists of 2 spring loaded arms. Where you are wrong in your description is that the coil doesn't release when it reaches it full potential. During the normal rotation of the magneto the arms each contact a stop in the casing of the magneto. Two stubs which are spining with the magneto then come into contact with the arms and force them to shut which then releases the energy contained in the coil/spring and gives the temporary increase in speed.The reason this is done is because in order to get a spark of sufficient intensity to ignite the fuel in the cylinders the magneto has to be turning at a certain RPM. Obviously when starting the engine this doesn't happen so an artificial method is used to obtain this increase in RPM.Another method used to give the required spark intensity is the shower of sparks method where more than one spark is supplied by the spark plug thereby giving a lot of small heat sources over a larger area of the cylinder.As to what keeps the magneto spinning you were right in that the magneto is connected to the crankshaft of the engine via reduction gearing.Boeing 727 is this the answer you need? If not could you be more specific?PaNMAN

User currently offlineAaron atp From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 533 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (14 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1032 times:

panman is certainly right in his post, but I think he might be wanting to know how a magneto generates electricity on its own to create the spark. "Like a lawnmower" was his reference. That probably means he has no idea what an impulse couple is or why it's needed.


If you spin an armature with coils of wire around it inside of a permanent magnet, an electromotive force (voltage) is created by the coil passing through the lines of flux around the magnet*. This voltage created by the magneto is enough to create a spark that jumps across the gap between the electrodes in the spark plugs.



The magneto creates a lower voltage (and less current) at low rpm's like any DC generator. The starter doesn't turn the engine fast enough for the magneto to create a strong spark, so an impulse coupler is used to give it the boost it needs to get the engine running at sufficient RPM.

*a commutator is used to create DC voltage, or as the poles change a negative emf would be created



aaron



User currently offlineBuzz From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 697 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 995 times:

Hi all, Buzz here. You've got good answers, now we need to see if we answered the question.
One advantage to a Magneto is that it's a self contained method of making the sparkplugs spark. If you spin it (bolted to the end of the engine) it generates a bit of electricity, tehn transforms it to a generous spark. Most piston engines have the mags bolted to the aft end of the engine, a few of the big radial engines (my favorite) have them on the nose case.
OK, Mr.B727. the ball is in your court now.
Friday i was checking mag timing on my favorite DC-3, and checking all the aft sparkplugs. A couple jugs were not firing when we went to Left mag, #1 engine.


User currently offlineBuff From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 993 times:

In simple terms, what makes a magneto spin by itself?

I always enjoy reading Buzz's answers 'cuz he makes continuous reference to the World's Greatest Airplane!

Back to the original question from my point of view, and I can remember this question using the same premise from some time ago.

The magneto, be it on an airplane piston engine or on a lawnmower, does not spin by itself!

In combination with the excellent answers above, I hope the originator of the thread now has a good understanding of these wondrous little things. (That's pilot talk for technical stuff)

Best Regards,

Buff


User currently offlineAirgypsy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 977 times:

Magnetos are:
Rotating magnets that excite a low volt fixed coil. The magnetic force is transferred from the rotating magnet to the coil thru soft iron laminations that are connected to the ends of the coil. The connection transfers the magnetic force only to induce the low side.
They contain no brushes.
The manetos alternately fires plugs - ground to electrode and electrode to ground (which is why swapping plugs is critical to even out wear).
They have points to open the low voltage side field and cause an abrupt collapse of the low field and excite the high voltage outter coil. This happens at the highest magnetic resistence to rotation (the "E" gap also referred to as internal timing).
The high voltage is passed to a distributor that may be physically on top of the magneto or remotely located (as in a large round engine).
The Lawnmower is an excellent example of a magneto. The magnet is on the edgeof the flywheel and the coil assembly sits on the side. The magnet "passes" the coil to excite it. For one moment it is centered between the coil lamination and passes the magnetic field through the coil to excite it. The points break and fire the high side - BANG. (Lawnmower only fires in one direction.)


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