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User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

Hi everybody,

I'm doing a study for a futur airline start-up. I'm wondering kind of plane is available on each category. Also, I would like to know the range and fuel consumption of each airplane you know.

For example,
Beach 1900D 19 seats, Range Full load, Fuel consumtion per hour,

Saab 340...

and so on?

Do you know?

Thanks,

aad665

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User currently offlineNickV1r From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

The BAE Jetstream 31/32 (19 seats) can realistically handle about a 2 hour leg with IFR reserves/alternate and a decent pax load...When I flew the J32 the longest trip we had was approx 250nm. This was scheduled for 1:45 (block times include time for T.O, approach, taxi, etc. J32 cruise speed is about 240kts in the low-mid teens). ON bad weather days we started running into a problem carrying a full load plus the fuel we needed. All in all a great airplane to fly, an awful airplane to ride in.

User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

J-31 range with 18pax and IFR reserves...675nm. Max operating speed, 223kts IAS. MAx cruise speed 263kts@15,000 feet. econ cruise 230kts @ 25,000ft. The J-31 is a poor aircraft. Heavy restrictions on payload especially in warm weather. If you are starting up an airline, you can get these planes from BAe at a power by the hour rate. In other words, you pay a set hourly rate for the a/c and BAe handles all mtc costs. EMB-120 range with 30 pax 945mls. Max op speed 270 kts. Long range cruise speed 260 kts. Max crusie 300kts. This plane will soon saturate the used a/c market and look for attractive lease rates. Higher costs are incurred with this a/c due to a necessary cabin crew member as well as the need for appropriate ground equipment, and catering equipment. SAAB-340 range with 35 pax 800nm. Max op speed 250kts. Max cruise and econ cruise run at about 250kts. Look for similar costs with the Brasilia as well as a much larger glut of this a/c on the market in the next few years as RJ's arrive and props leave. Source: Modern Commercial Aircraft...Crown Publishers.

User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Hi,

Thanks you soo much. You information is very helpfull.

Any comments is welcome. What do you think of Beech1900D?

Where I can get your source: Modern Commercial...?

Luc


User currently offlineATRpilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

The magazine, "Business and Commercial Aviation," puts together an issue every year with all the stats for all the aircraft in current production or avialable for purchase. A great source for what your doing, as it contains the industry accepted values for each aircraft. Hit your local Library!

User currently offlineL_188 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

BACA is a good source.

You may want to see if your library has some back copies of Jane's all the worlds aircraft.

Looking in older volumes of that book. That way you can get data about older designs.


User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

I've flown on and had friends who worked for B-1900 operators. The aircraft itself is probably the best amongst 19 seaters. It is not quite as weight restricted as the J-31 and can operate comfortably in mountainous areas. There are a number of these aircraft on the market at favorable lease rates. There is of course no lavatory facilities on the aircraft and you should take this into account with your paper airline. If you have plans to operate your flights on routes of over 45mins...an a/c with a lav is recommended. My friend worked for a small outfit in AZ called Arizona Airways, before they were bought by Great Lakes and run into the ground. They made a good deal of money and ran consistently high loads. The operating costs of the B-1900 was nominal. The B-1900-D offers a taller cabin and similar performance. However, given the choice between a 30 seater with a lav and a f/a, I would gleefully choose the larger plane. Also, the book "Modern Commercial Aircraft" was published in 1987. It is distributed by Crown Publishers, Inc. 225 Park Ave New York, NY 10003. Correspondence as to content - Salamander Books Ltd. 52 Bedford Row London WC1R4LR. It has pictures and cutaway drawings as well as performance specs of all of the airliners at the time. It also has fleet stats of all of the major airlines at that time, as well as their fleet orders for 1987. It mentions AWA's order for 25 A-300's and 15 767-300er. Of couse, their fortunes came to pass and the airline never obtained these aircraft.

User currently offlineLatechpilot From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

I fly a BE-1900 for an airline based in CLE. I think it is a very good aircraft for commuter-type operations, but nothing further than one hour. We actually have block times greater than two hours (CLE-IAD, CLE-RIC, CLE-ABE) which I think are excessive for a plane without a lav or flight attendant. Typically, the PT-6A-67D engines burn about 1,000 # per hour total while turning the prop QUIETLY at 1,400 RPM. It trues out at about 280 knots at FL 250. The aircraft is typically very reliable. Parts and experienced mechanics are abundant because the basic airframe design has been around for nearly 30 years. Crews with King Air experience are usually easy to find, although a BE-350 type and BE-1900 type are not the same. The fuel tanks hold about 4500#, which would leave you with only a 1,500# payload. When less than 2,100# of fuel is carried (typical fuel load), 19 PAX and bags can be carried. I hope this helps.

User currently offlineMe From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 220 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Stay away from the Jetstream 31/32. The 1900 is a much better airplane for both your pilots and pax. Noisy, unstable and uncomfortable don't even begin to describe it. I flew it for Trans States Airlines out of STL years ago and I can remember getting to the hotel at the end of a long day and not being able to fall asleep beacuse of the ringing in my ears. We even wore earplugs under our headsets. This is what you'll look like after flying in a J31/32   . I gotta go, I think the doorbell is ringing, or is that just in my head?

User currently offlineATRpilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2649 times:

Nice to here from another TSA excapee!

I was there for a year flying the ATR before I decided to move on to a company that was as far from Hulas as I could get!

Whatdya think, maybe another 18 months before the crazy indian packs up and leaves the country?


User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Hi everybody,

thank for your answers. It's very usefull. if I can abuse of you, I would like to read your comments about Embrear Brasila and Pilatus.

Thanks so much,

Luc


User currently offlineMe From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 220 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

I left TSA in 05/98 and went to AirTran, been a good decision so far. Do you know Blayde Chaote, Randy Damphouse, Tom Eby, Rob Helzerman or Mike Chambers? They're all here and a bunch of other ex-trans statesman who I don't know.

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