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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Posted (15 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Article in Flight International about Hawaiian Airlines looking at retiring DC-10s, and replacing with either 767/777 or A330.

Given that Hawaii to US West Coast requires operations under 180 minute rules, how will Hawaiian achieve this on day one of operations? I think normally an airline has to operate a new type for a year before starting EROPS.

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User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3241 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (15 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

The 777 is available with ETOPS on delivery; the airline still has to do some proving flights for the FAA.

I'm also not sure about the correctness of your statement that airlines have to operate a new type for a year before gaining ETOPS. Aloha started 737-700 flights between HNL/OGG and OAK not long after receiving them; though Aloha did have a coupe of ETOPS-rated 737-200s.

Presumably this issue has been dealt with, as the CEO of Hawaiian Airlines, Paul Casey, is quoted in the Flight International article as saying the DC-10 replacement will definately be a long-range twin.

User currently offlineFlygga From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (15 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1384 times:

During the 2 months prior to the start of Aloha service to OAK, Aloha 737's were regular sights here in the Bay Area with crews doing proving runs.

Richard Silagi

User currently offlineBishop1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (15 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1372 times:


I'm not aware of all of the rules out there in regards to ETOPS, but American has started flights with the 767-300ER's out of Chicago, Los Angeles and San Franscico.
They will start shortly with flights out of Dallas. maybe this info will help you out.

User currently offlineFunbank1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (15 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Delta also will be switching from L-1011 to 767-400 soon. The jet will be delivered ETOPS approved. As for Aloha and the 737-700 from OAK to OGG and HNL, God bless those who fly them. That jet is way to small for my tastes and the fare is pretty high too. When I am over water for those hours I want to be in the largest plane possible. I will hate to see the L-1011 retired from DL. It is the best jet ever.

User currently offlineKonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (15 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

The 737-700 can't be too bad to fly between CA & HI. I mean UA, AA, & I think some others fly the 757 (also a Boeing narrowbody). Essentially, from a passenger perspective, the 737 is basically a shorter 757, since the width is the same. As long as it is safe, I wouldn't mind it. I mean, the FAA wouldn't have certified it if it wasn't safe.

User currently offlineScaredflyer21 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (15 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

I wouldn't mind having a 757 for a over water trip!

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