Alangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1 Posted (15 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1454 times:
Article in Flight International about Hawaiian Airlines looking at retiring DC-10s, and replacing with either 767/777 or A330.
Given that Hawaii to US West Coast requires operations under 180 minute rules, how will Hawaiian achieve this on day one of operations? I think normally an airline has to operate a new type for a year before starting EROPS.
Hawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3236 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (15 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1365 times:
The 777 is available with ETOPS on delivery; the airline still has to do some proving flights for the FAA.
I'm also not sure about the correctness of your statement that airlines have to operate a new type for a year before gaining ETOPS. Aloha started 737-700 flights between HNL/OGG and OAK not long after receiving them; though Aloha did have a coupe of ETOPS-rated 737-200s.
Presumably this issue has been dealt with, as the CEO of Hawaiian Airlines, Paul Casey, is quoted in the Flight International article as saying the DC-10 replacement will definately be a long-range twin.
Bishop1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (15 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1315 times:
I'm not aware of all of the rules out there in regards to ETOPS, but American has started flights with the 767-300ER's out of Chicago, Los Angeles and San Franscico.
They will start shortly with flights out of Dallas. maybe this info will help you out.
Funbank1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (15 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1257 times:
Delta also will be switching from L-1011 to 767-400 soon. The jet will be delivered ETOPS approved. As for Aloha and the 737-700 from OAK to OGG and HNL, God bless those who fly them. That jet is way to small for my tastes and the fare is pretty high too. When I am over water for those hours I want to be in the largest plane possible. I will hate to see the L-1011 retired from DL. It is the best jet ever.
KonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (15 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1225 times:
The 737-700 can't be too bad to fly between CA & HI. I mean UA, AA, & I think some others fly the 757 (also a Boeing narrowbody). Essentially, from a passenger perspective, the 737 is basically a shorter 757, since the width is the same. As long as it is safe, I wouldn't mind it. I mean, the FAA wouldn't have certified it if it wasn't safe.