CloudNine From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 68 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2023 times:
I live in the midwest area of the U.S.,with a commercial airport that sees only a moderate amout of departures. I've noticed a number of Southwest(733) & American(MD80) aircraft Departing at what appears to be extreme angle's. My actual question is," what is the typical to extreme rate ft. per minute climbout for most commercial flights"?. In afterthought, how is the rate per minute of decent figured out on approach to you destination?. The later question is under typical or normal situations. Thanks, and hope I have'nt confused anyone.
B747Skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1959 times:
Dear Cloud9 -
The "maximum angle" for climb out on takeoff is generally 20 degrees for all airplanes that I know (and/or airline operation policies) - airlines refrain from "acrobatic flying" as you may realize... And 20 degrees, would be a faily light weight aircraft...
On a heavily loaded 747, the other extreme, the attitude angle is 13 degrees after takeoff for the initial climb speed...
So we say 12-13 degrees (heavy) and 20 degrees (light aircraft)...
Rate of descent, typical ILS is 750 to 800 feet/minute - visual approaches generally around these numbers, but could go to... say 1,000 feet/minute...
Mr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22 Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1915 times:
Climb rates really depends on many many factors which include temperature, weight, thrust settings, speed... etc. For the B747-400, at light weights it should be 3000-4000fpm while at medium weights 2000 and heavy 1000fpm.
This is just a very very rough figure.
PS/Skipper is the man to ask when it comes to the B747s
411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1919 times:
On the other hand, with older types (B707 for example), it can be rather interesting.
Recall departing DHA one night, max weight...and was only able to climb at V2/400 feet per minute, due to 20,000 pound error (found out later) in the loadsheet.
First Officer (pilot flying) had eyes big as dinner plates.
Sure glad one engine didn't quit.....
B747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1882 times:
Regarding climbout rates... jet transport aircraft...
All that comes from FAR/JAR Part 25...
The "second segment climb" (gear retraction height until reaching 400 feet with one engine failed) is the "yardstick" for aircraft performance climbout rate in certification...
2 engine airplanes, i.e. a 737, must be able to maintain a climb gradient of 2.4%...
3 engine airplanes, i.e. a DC-10, be able to maintain a climb gradient of 2.7%...
4 engine airplanes, i.e. a 747, be able to maintain a climb gradient of 3.0%...
Based on that, you can see that a 2 engine aircraft would be inherently with much better "all engine" performance, since they are designed to climb with one engine out (one still operating) at a gradient of 2.4%... yet having lost half of their power... if you compare to a 3 engine (lost only 33.3% of its power), or a 4 engine aircraft, 25% of its power...
All airplanes climbing out on "all engines" have spectacular performance... yet I know that "twin jets" probably have the most spectacular climb capability...
Is this a help to answer your questions...?
Rendezvous From New Zealand, joined May 2001, 511 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1841 times:
I know it's a hard one to give an answer to, because of all the variables.
I can't imagine climbing out in a fully laiden twin on one engine is very fun. Most probably the pilot would require a change of pants after?
B747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1785 times:
My airline's top executives sometimes use a Learjet for their travel, and I get occasionally to fly that aircraft... at sea level and average weight, this little rocketship is capable of climbing at 1,000+ feet per minute on one engine, and I have seen some 6,000 feet per minute on VSI with both engines...
Somewhat of spectacular performance, shall we say...