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1200 Hours Minimum To Fly The PA32?  
User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 15
Posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

Why does Ameriflight require so many hours to fly the Piper Lance? Seems to me that pilots with this many hours would be applying to other regional airlines.
Any ideas why?


http://ameriflight.com/Employment/employment.htm
http://ameriflight.com/Employment/employment.htm

Thanks


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User currently offlineLearpilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

Under FAR 135 (the rules that govern charter operations), the pilot is required to have 1200 hours.


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User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

Ok I didnt know that, thanks
I wonder if many people apply with them for the position of Pa32 F/O  Smile



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User currently offlineScootertrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 569 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

There would not be an FO. FAR part 135 allows for single pilot operated aircraft as long as the airplane is certificated for such operation. How many people apply for that job? I don't know, but i would imagine allot, given the current industry hiring conditions!

User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6199 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

Under FAR 135 (the rules that govern charter operations), the pilot is required to have 1200 hours.


only for IFR operations



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29690 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

Actually it is 500 for VFR, 1200 for IFR. Which must include some Cross Country and Night requirements, that I won't list here.

Frankly if I was hiring for a 135 position right now. There is no way in hell that I would hire a furloughed major pilot.

You know that they will bolt as soon as his former employer starts hiring back off the furlough list. Better to get a new body out of school who isn't even going to be able to meet the major time requirements for a while. That way you get some use out of him for a while after you spend all that money to get him typed for your equipment.



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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

1,200 hours to fly a PA32?!!

To think I only had 230 hours when I started flying 757s.... scary really.



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User currently offlineScootertrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 569 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3886 times:

That is scary!  Smile I was still doing allot of stupid stuff in little airplanes when I had triple that time!

Man, i am pretty envious, Rick! I had well over 2,000 hours before I could get a crappy regional to even look at me. You European folks really do have it easy!


User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3859 times:

Scottertrash, even though some airlines like Skywest only require 1000, is that the average for regional airlines here?


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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6199 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3780 times:

That way you get some use out of him for a while after you spend all that money to get him typed for your equipment.

Typed in a PA32  Big grin


Here are some 2002 interviewing stats:

Majors:
Average Total Time (Civilian): 6014 (Ranging between 1050 and 17000)
Average Total Time (Military): 4286 (Ranging between 1802 and 19961)
Average PIC Time (Civilian): 3649
Average PIC Time (Military): 2746
Average Jet Time (Civilian): 1797
Average Jet Time (Military): 3347
Average Turboprop Time (Civilian): 2519
Average Turboprob Time (Military): 1053
Average Multi Time (Civilian): 4067
Average Multi Time (Military): 3676

Nationals:
Average Total Time (Civilian): 3688 (Ranging between 1116 and 15241)
Average Total Time (Military): 5320 (Ranging between 1352 and 22000)
Average PIC Time (Civilian): 2454
Average PIC Time (Military): 3000
Average Jet Time (Civilian): 1301
Average Jet Time (Military): 3453
Average Turboprop Time (Civilian): 1587
Average Turboprob Time (Military): 2078
Average Multi Time (Civilian): 1974
Average Multi Time (Military): 3461

Jet Regionals:
Average Total Time (Civilian): 6834 (Ranging between 925 and 16890)
Average Total Time (Military): 4609 (Ranging between 1116 and 10000)
Average PIC Time (Civilian): 4101
Average PIC Time (Military): 2628
Average Jet Time (Civilian): 3243
Average Jet Time (Military): 2500
Average Turboprop Time (Civilian): 3089
Average Turboprob Time (Military): 2430
Average Multi Time (Civilian): 4647
Average Multi Time (Military): 3554

Non-Jet Regionals:
Average Total Time (Civilian): 1586 (Ranging between 540 and 5850)
Average Total Time (Military): 2707 (Ranging between 2263 and 3150)
Average PIC Time (Civilian): 1047
Average PIC Time (Military): 1306
Average Jet Time (Civilian): 820
Average Jet Time (Military): 3150
Average Turboprop Time (Civilian): 339
Average Turboprob Time (Military): 1085
Average Multi Time (Civilian): 608
Average Multi Time (Military): 2086

Totals:
Average Total Time (Civilian): 4592 (Ranging between 540 and 17000)
Average Total Time (Military): 4691 (Ranging between 1116 and 22000)
Average PIC Time (Civilian): 2860
Average PIC Time (Military): 2797
Average Jet Time (Civilian): 1727
Average Jet Time (Military): 3116
Average Turboprop Time (Civilian): 2119
Average Turboprob Time (Military): 1615
Average Multi Time (Civilian): 2816
Average Multi Time (Military): 3544

from Air, Inc.



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User currently offlineScootertrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 569 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

No... As per the table above. It really runs the gambit though.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29690 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3770 times:

I was think more along the lines of a lear or a 1900 or a metro there Jhooper.

But the analagy still applies.

Why would I hire somebody that I know is going to leave as soon as his old carrier starts rehiring off the furlough list?



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User currently offlineDg_pilot From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 856 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Forget the 230 hours for the 757-- I wouldn't want to fly it then if I had the opportunity anyway. I'd rather build my time in a variety of aircraft and environmental conditions. It builds experience and character. It's also more fun that way...

User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3750 times:

Dg_pilot,

Very noble goal, but you got to pay those bills, and a 757 co-pilot pays a heck of alot more than most other jobs that you can get at 230hrs.



At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineDg_pilot From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 856 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

Plenty of pilots who don't fly 757s pay their bills.....

User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

I fly the 757 and can't pay my bills... what gives??

Living in the UK is hell.... my salary looks nice till the government tax 40% of it!



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineTheiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

Rick767- Any chance of a base in the SFB/MCO area? That might take a little bit of the sting out of it Big grin

User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

Theiler,

Would jump at the chance, but our crewbases are only in the UK unfortunately.



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