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Airspace/Waters Between U.S. & Hawaii  
User currently offlineN777UA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 8943 times:

We all know Hawaii is a state of the U.S.A., but it is also a third of the way across the Pacific Ocean. When airplanes fly from the U.S. to Hawaii, and cross over the California coast over the Pacific, do they leave U.S. airspace, which then re-starts once they near the Hawaiian Islands, or is U.S. airspace continuous?

Also, same question, but for water...international waters, or US waters?

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User currently offlineDispatcher From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 254 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 8901 times:

They enter International airspace but are still controlled by Oakland Oceanic.

User currently offlineShaun3000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 8782 times:

Good question.

When we fly to Alaska, do we enter Canadian airspace, or does US airspace go across Canada into Alaska?  Big grin

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30408 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 8711 times:

You go into Canadian Airspace.

I have to file international any time I send an airplane to the Lower 48.

User currently offlineShaun3000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8039 times:

Yes, yes, I know. I was only joking around.

 Laugh out loud

User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2636 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7909 times:

International airspace is given over to control by different agencies, with the dividing lines set by ICAO (International Civil Aeronautics Organization).

Around Hawaii (within about 300 miles or so) it is US airspace, just like in the mainland. The rest of it is international airpace, controlled by Oakland Oceanic control. The surprising thing is that Oakland controls airspace most of the way across the Pacific.

This link includes a small chart of the various airspace control areas in the Pacific. http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/pilotcentre/training/RVSM/01over/01over02a1.htm

One other interesting thing is that we don't talk directly to Oakland control while flying over the Pacific. A private radio company called AIRINC acts as a middleman between us and Oakland, and also between us and our company dispatchers. We talk to them on the HF radio, and they relay the information about when we pass waypoints, and position reports and requests for altitude changes to the controllers. Then AIRINC relays the responses back to us. It's a little bit slow and clumsy, but for now that's the way it is done.


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