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ATC: LAX To NRT  
User currently offlineMhsieh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 332 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

I'll be flying from LAX to NRT next week.
Just wondering what the different ATC sectors involved in this flight will be.
1. LA Ground
2. LA Tower
3. LA Departure
4. SoCal Approach
5. LA Center
6. Oakland Center
7. Seattle Center......
What's next??
Thanks.


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User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Maybe Prince Edward Island?


Go big or go home
User currently offlineN521NA From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

Anchorage Center and Tokyo Control probably.

User currently offlineKLAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

1. LA Clearance Delivery
2. LA Ground
3. SoCal Departure
4. LA Center
5. Oakland Center
6. Seattle Center

 Big grin

Next up after SEA, I dunno  Confused


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2549 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

1)ATIS
2)Clearance delivery
3)LAX Ground
4)LAX Tower
5)Socal Departure
6)LA Center
7)Oakland Center
8)You probably won't get to Seattle Center. You'll be too far offshore to talk to them. After Oakland Center, probably Oakland Oceanic. The crew will be talking to them on HF radio (unless the plane has sat-phone link). They'll stay with Oakland Oceanic until close to Japan, when they'll have a short time with Tokyo Oceanic before switching to Tokyo Center.

Have a good trip!

HAL



One smooth landing is skill. Two in a row is luck. Three in a row and someone is lying.
User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Wow... thats pretty amazing stuff.

What about a flight from LAX-SYD? What kind of sectors would that include?



My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

LAX-SYD would be on HF most of the flight probabarly.

User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

Based on listening to Channel 9 on a flight SFO-NRT:

SFO Ground
SFO Tower
Bay Departure
Oakland Center
Oakland Oceanic
Tokyo Oceanic
Tokyo Control
Narita Radar
Narita Approach
Narita Tower
Narita Ground

Note that you won't hear stuff from Oakland Oceanic or Tokyo Oceanic, because most planes these dys use datalink, not voice for communications.


User currently offlineRadarbeam From Canada, joined Mar 2002, 1310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1649 times:

Prince Edward Island? HAHA PEI is located on the Canadian East coast.  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

Ok, my mistake. The island that is north of washington, west of canada..


Go big or go home
User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3399 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1606 times:

I believe your looking for vancover.


When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1579 times:

Is this "Oakland Oceanic" the only "oceanic" type of sector on the US west coast, or are there others? Does Oakland Oceanic do all pacific flights, or just the Northern CA flights?



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6749 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

Somewhere on line there's a map of Oakland's territory. It's most of the Pacific Ocean north of the Equator and east of-- maybe 140 East? Pretty sure that Seattle and LA Centers just handle flights within radar coverage.

User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Oakland oceanic is procedural control only.

User currently offlineMhsieh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1551 times:

Thanks everybody...I'll be listening to Channel 9...

User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2549 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

Try this link to show the sectors across the Pacific:

http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/pilotcentre/training/RVSM/01over/01over02a1.htm

For QANTAS747-438, a LAX-SYD trip would probably include
1)ATIS
2)Clearance delivery
3)LAX ground
4)LAX tower
5)Socal departure
6)LAX center
7)Oakland Oceanic
8)Nadi Area Control Centre
9)(maybe)Auckland Oceanic
10)Brisbane Oceanic
11)Sydney center
and on down the list into SYD airport.

HAL




One smooth landing is skill. Two in a row is luck. Three in a row and someone is lying.
User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

HAL---

Well, that answered all my questions! Thanks! Also, I spent a lot of time looking for an answer to the original question, and wanted a site just like the one you provided for me. Thanks again!



My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

But of ALL the cities and places to do the Pacific flights, why OAKLAND of all places? Who said the US should get the rights to do this? Based on that link, it looks like Oakland Oceanic deals with flights as far as Indonesia!


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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

LAX-SYD would be on HF most of the flight probably

Not necessarily. If it's a FANS-equipped aircraft then much of the routine communication could be via datalink CPDLC.


User currently offlineFlygga From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

At one time Oakland was the main airport for the San Francisco area. It was not until 40's and early 50's that airlines started to move across the bay to SFO. And as a side note, Oakland Center is not in Oakland. It is about 20 miles south in Fremont.



User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2783 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

I heard that Oakland Oceanic has the callsign of "San Francisco."

User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2549 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1405 times:

Modesto2,
Oakland Oceanic is the controlling ATC agency. However inflight, we don't talk directly to them. All communication is routed through a private radio company called Airinc. They relay all messages to us from ATC and from our company, and distribute our messages out too. They are in San Francisco, so that is why we say "San Francisco" when calling for position reports, altitude changes, etc. while over the Pacific.

HAL



One smooth landing is skill. Two in a row is luck. Three in a row and someone is lying.
User currently offlineMhsieh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1391 times:

Hi HAL,
Thanks for your input.
I'll be moving from SoCal to PDX area this summer. I have family in HNL.
Would like to fly non-stop PDX to HNL. Since HAL has a monopoly on PDX-HNL non-stop, HAL would be my airline of choice.
BUT, why is HAL so expensive on PDX-HNL?? Is the flight frequently full?
BTW, how's the service on HAL? I have up to now been a loyal UAL guy...
Thanks again.


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2549 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

Since HAL has a monopoly on PDX-HNL non-stop, HAL would be my airline of choice.
BUT, why is HAL so expensive on PDX-HNL?? Is the flight frequently full?


It's the law of supply & demand. Yes, PDX is one of our best markets, and the flights go out full almost every day. When we retired the DC-10's out of there, we had to add a PDX-OGG flight three days a week because the 767's are a bit smaller than the DC-10's.

BTW, how's the service on HAL? I have up to now been a loyal UAL guy...

Our service matches or beats anything the majors can put up. We've won awards year after year for our service. I know from experience that the food is better than what you'll find on UAL, and the Flight Attendants give you outstanding service on every flight. Plus we have new planes, and very good in-flight entertainment. I know it's part of our advertising, but I do think you get the 'Hawaii starts here' feeling as soon as you get on the plane. Give it a try - you won't go back to the majors again. And seriously, let me know how it goes if you try us. We're always looking for feedback on how we're doing.

HAL




One smooth landing is skill. Two in a row is luck. Three in a row and someone is lying.
User currently offlineKLAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

I don't think I'll ever be able to fulfill my dream of flying LAX-HNL on a Hawaiian DC-10  Sad
I love those beautiful silver DC-10s  Love

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