C172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 885 posts, RR: 6 Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12106 times:
I believe someone once came onto this site spouting off about Chemtrails and government spraying. Just wondering what most of the regulars on the tech/op's site think about this stuff.
Personally I think these people are out of their minds, just go read some of the topics in the forum on this website: http://www.chemtrailcentral.com
1 Doug_or: This has been discussed several times before. At least one of them had guest appearances from a "believer". I can see how it might make sense to a hyp
2 Beefmoney: As you may notice on the forums on that site, there is a person with the name "PHXPilot". That is me. Ive been on there for a few months now exposing
3 C172Akula: Hey there Beefmoney, I have to say that I picked up on you pretty quickly there fighting the good fight! I have to say that as a pilot as well I am te
4 C172Akula: Beefmoney, YYCPilot is now on the scene to give you some backup and make their lives even more miserable!
5 Beefmoney: I see we have 2 new members on Chemtrail Central fighting the good fight. Very nice. My main reason for being there is to keep people from watching ai
6 C172Akula: I can hardly wait to be attacked! "I love the smell of debunking in the morning. It smells like....victory."
7 C172Akula: I may just have to submit that website as an "Awful link of the Day" for Somethingawful.com!
8 Beefmoney: Hey man, go for it. But, Im a longtime member of Fark.com. And, as you may know, Fark and Somthingawful are bitter rivals, so dont expect me to rally
9 OPNLguy: Anyone have a hammer and a wooden stake so we can drive it into the heart of this topic, and kill it once and for all? Besides, everyone -knows- chemt
10 Beefmoney: Hey OPNLguy, if you want to drive a stake into it and kill this retarded theory once and for all, I would like to recruit you for the Debunker Force.
11 Doug_or: which forum where you banned from? PDXpilot
12 Beefmoney: Second from the top of the list of forums. You need a password to get in. They wont give me one
13 C172Akula: Come and join up, and fight the good fight over at chemtrailcentral.com! I wonder if any of those goofs have picked up a picture of a plane making con
14 Beefmoney: I wonder if any of those goofs have picked up a picture of a plane making contrails, plus the APU putting out a small one as well? You bet they have.
15 C172Akula: Unbelievable, I remember hearing this stuff on Art Bell when I would be driving home late at night and laughing my ass off at it all!
16 C172Akula: If I am noticing a trend...the new signups are all using the basic context of your username Beefmoney. "IDENT"Pilot, then they will know that they are
17 Beefmoney: ..and another. I welcome PDXpilot to the debunker family I also find it interesting that some of the new debunkers have chosen names similar to mine.
18 C172Akula: Come on now Beefmoney, $5 dollars American is too rich for us Canadians to even think of wagering on...that's like half my yearly salary!
19 Beefmoney: Oh yes, I forgot. How about 2 cents? Not much of a gamble anyway, no doubt they will accuse you of being me.
20 OPNLguy: >>>Hey OPNLguy, if you want to drive a stake into it and kill this retarded theory once and for all, I would like to recruit you for the Debunker Forc
21 Doug_or: after YYC did it, i had no choice- Solidarity!
22 Beefmoney: Sorry, I have much better things to do with my time than trying to convince the unconvincable... Well, dont we all? But debating with chemmies is addi
23 Beefmoney: Man, Ive been checking up on chemtrailcentral every few minutes and we havent gotten one response back yet. This is quite possibly one of the longest
24 Beefmoney: Well, they seem to have caught on to the influx of debunkers. I would like to thank all of you who decided to join and post. Hopefully some of our pos
25 Dan2002: They seem not to know anything about science. Jeez they don't even know what effects the sun has on clouds. Well im with you 100% my usrnm is DBNKPilo
26 Beefmoney: Hey Dan2002. Now your using some strategy *Note: For those who think that his idea may be deceitful and misleading, you must remember that these peopl
27 Beefmoney: Where are all of you? I was up till 1 last night responding to some new chemmies, then I got up at 4 this morning to do it some more. We've been havin
28 David L: Might give it a go at the weekend. It's a scream.
29 Ben: I just joined the forum too! This is going to be so much fun... Hope it doesnt take too long to get some replies..
30 C172Akula: Sorry there Beefmoney, I haven't been on much this last day or so. I've had pretty full days of flying, but rest assured I will be on tonight bashing
31 XFSUgimpLB41X: I cant resist.. gonna have to register...
32 Beefmoney: No problem C172. And thank you XFSUgimpLB41X. It seems the chemmies have found this thread and have started posting sections of it on Chemtrailcentral
33 C172Akula: I remember the last time someone posted about chemtrails on here, the laughs could very well be heard all over the world. But since big brother is wat
34 Radarbeam: Now way I'm missing out on some good laughs. YULpilot is chemtrailcentral's newest user. Which forum are you guys posting into?
35 Beefmoney: Hey RadarBeam. 99% of my posts are in the top forum on the list named "Chemtrails". Thats the main big one. Im very pleased with the response on here.
36 C172Akula: Are we still being spied on? It's a good thing I have a couple of 'other' aviation boards I'm on, and their identities will remain secret so I can plo
37 Beefmoney: I wouldnt doubt that a couple of them check up on us here. Ive got a couple other boards too, so it doesnt bother me too much.
38 C172Akula: Now they are making fun of us not having girlfriends! If sailors can be married to the sea, can't we be married to the sky? I love you chemmies.
39 Beefmoney: Theres a reason we've had so many posts on here titled "Reasons airplanes are better than women"
40 Dan2002: Why dont we make a forum that they cant get into
41 Beefmoney: Lol, I think they would stay out of this forum just because it costs money.
42 David L: After reading a few days worth of what's going on there I've decided to leave it to "you guys". With a few exceptions, there are generally two types o
43 Beefmoney: I was just reading the other parts of the site, and one part said that you can tell if it is a chemtrail because chemtrails are formed in X's or paral
44 David L: I can't believe some of the stuff over there. What do they call clouds? Chemblobs? There were a few chemblobs over my house this afternoon that lasted
45 CanadianPilot: That website makes me laugh....then it gets me really pissed too!! I wrote up a long post on exactly how contrails are formed. And well, I got banned
46 Beefmoney: CanadianPilot, were you NotasNaiveasYou?
47 CanadianPilot: I don't think they liked my username!
52 David L: Actually, once you've studied what they're saying in depth, you can see that they make sense. I've finally realised that you can prove that chemtrails
53 Avioniker: David, You sound like my kind of people. Had me running for the drugs to bring me back to earth before I realized you are being a bit less than comple
54 David L: Apparently there are sometimes more aircraft seen spraying in one area than actually exist so some of them must be going back round again. What? More
55 Boeing4ever: Chemtrails are real! Airbus went public with it recently... B4e-Forever New Frontiers
56 David L: No doubt Airbus are already working on a silent version.
57 OPNLguy: Beefmoney I was looking for something else, and stumbled across this thread on the subject... I see you're in it as well.... It was just from January,
58 Beefmoney: Well, thats it. Im done. They have just become stupider and stupider. Yes, I know that sounds harsh, but thats how it is. Im sick of people gloating a
59 David L: Don't feel bad, Beefmoney - you've done a great job, even by just drawing our attention to it and certainly by exposing their complete lack of logic.
60 David L: Just read your departure speech, Beefmoney. As usual, they reacted as if they'd been told Santa Claus didn't exist... fingers in the ears, screams of
61 XFSUgimpLB41X: What the heck is with that poetry?? It's horrendous! Just wrote a few threads on there.. I'll keep going there and posting occasionally until i get ti
62 Beefmoney: Well, I just got back on to check the replys to my good-bye post, and saw exactly what I expected......Ignorance. Whats sad is that they are destroyin
63 Beefmoney: Example: "I would very strongly encourage some of the member of this forum to educate themselves on basic heavy aircraft operations" Response by chemm
64 Doug_or: I'll keep up my non-confrontational style of posting of infomration. I'll also keep skipping over anyting evertte eyes types- it makes it a lot less s
65 Beefmoney: As many of you may have noticed, I broke my promise and came back to ChemtrailCentral. Yep, Im still posting there. But, get this, a chemmie just verb
66 Covert: Maybe he meant - 56 degrees celcius ...
67 Beefmoney: He didnt, trust me. He would have cleared that up within seconds, trying to avoid the onslaught of corrections by every debunker on the site. Plus, he
68 Goboeing: Unfortunately, I do not have the chart in front of me right now, however, I will tell you that the standard air temperature at 36,000 feet is NOT 56 d
70 David L: +56 degrees C/F at 36,000 ft? Could be possible... on their home planet, wherever that is.
71 Beefmoney: have any of you heard about these "chembusters" that chemmies make that supposedly make "chemtrails" disappear. Ive seen photos of "chembusters" in ch
72 David L: That chemwatcher character provides the stupidest, most inept argument I think I've ever seen on the internet. There is just no way to discuss anythin
73 Buckfifty: You're not gonna win on a site with a forum addressed as "Advanced Aircraft and UFO's." If there weren't looney people in this world, you won't be abl
74 Beefmoney: Quite right David L. I used to think that a few other people on that site were dense, but Chemwatcher absolutely blows them out of the water. He makes
75 Skyguy11: Ahahahha!!!!!! I just read this thread and visited the site! Ahahahah that is funny!
76 Avt007: These folks are amazing. They always talk about the government, though. Do they think all gov`ts around the world do it? Or just the US? Or is it one
77 Doug_or: its the new world order, or NWO as they usualy refer to it.
78 David L: Or, as some of them call it, the "New World Odor". Given their "mastery" of language I'm tempted to believe it's a typo but I'll give them the benefit
79 Beefmoney: If theres one thing I have learned from chemtrailcentral, it is that their main reason for believing in chemtrails is that the government is evil. The
80 Beefmoney: Sometimes I wonder if I should report these guys to some sort of law enforcement agency. I have heard them say: 1. Get mirrors and reflect light into
81 Delta-flyer: They do seem like a bunch of whackos, and they are not accepting new members. Obviously, they want to keep dissenting opinions out. Pete
82 David L: Hmm... Where have I seen that tactic before? Oh yeah, in countries where you can freely enter political debate as long as you agree with the governmen
83 AC320: if they get stupid enough With all that crap on their forums, they're not at that stupidity level yet?!
84 Beefmoney: With all that crap on their forums, they're not at that stupidity level yet?! Truer words have never been spoken
85 AC320: In 5 minutes reading their garbage I heard about everything from aliens, to government plots, to new world orders, to the Chinese, to Saddam, to secre
86 2912n: At work we give these type of people hats made of tin foil. (reynolds wrap seems to work the best.) They usually find relief from the voices/chemicals
87 Beefmoney: I've wondered many times if I ever interact with any of them in my daily life. Is "Chemwatcher" (One of the craziest on there) my local carpenter? Is
88 AC320: were gonna have to deal with them. Indeed. Home-made lobotomies for the lot of them. All I need is a can opener, sterilized water and an ice cream sco
89 Beefmoney: And look what one of them just said to me: Pilot, I was thinking of you today as I came up on a tragic auto accident on the highway,what a shame that
90 AC320: Serious issues. They need therapy and fast.
91 Beefmoney: Well, there is another thread on CC showing this thread. So, EVERYONE WAVE TO THEM!! Hi Lulu!!
92 AC320: They'll move onto to something else when the catch onto the fact that the government is really spreading secret chemicals and experiements through the
93 Beefmoney: That and pennies are only kept in circulation to secretly gather our DNA for evil New World Order cloning programs once the altered cottage cheese has
94 AC320: I'm off the penny theory. Now after watching TV I'm convinced the guy in the Oxy-Clean commercial is being used to brainwash society into buying that
95 David L: Beefmoney, what's the thread called? I had a quick look but couldn't find it. I'm at work so I can't spend too much time looking - can't wait to read
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8950 posts, RR: 45 Reply 96, posted (8 years 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 9640 times:
"... the watchers no matter how outlandish their "conspiracy" may be they will remain more honest then you debunk's will ever!"
HatchetML has got to be kidding! Tantrums, abuse, threats and still a complete lack of evidence constitute honest debate now?
Some of them think it's not fair that non-believers post their views on their website and suggest we start our own debunking website. So, they want one side of the argument on one website and the other side on a completely different website? Oh yes! Cuckoo...
And another thing! They keep going on about how "the spraying started again yesterday" and "I couldn't breathe". With apologies to anyone who suffers from genuine respiratory problems, it must be strange watching hundreds of people around them carrying on as normal while the Believers lean against walls, gasping for breath. Reminds me a bit of the crystallographers, or whatever they're called, who rush around crop circles shouting "Over here! The feeling's so strong over here... I can hardly stand up" while the people who made them are watching from nearby!
Beefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1111 posts, RR: 5 Reply 97, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9606 times:
With apologies to anyone who suffers from genuine respiratory problems, it must be strange watching hundreds of people around them carrying on as normal while the Believers lean against walls, gasping for breath.
I have (had) very bad asthma up until a few years ago when I seemed to grow out of it, and now I barely show any symptoms of asthma.
If chemtrails were real, my asthma should have gone out of control and killed me. But, instead, it has gone away.
And I was thinking, maybe if this New World Order thing is real, maybe the new government will give me a high-ranking job for my efforts to cover it up.
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8950 posts, RR: 45 Reply 98, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9507 times:
Do we know who NW41Heavy and CaptWalker are? I'm not asking anyone to spill the beans, it's just that I can't believe how weak the counters to the debunkers' arguments are getting now. The more vocal Believers have very little grasp of spelling and grammar and this Lulu character has picked up on a single typo by CaptWalker. According to her, poor spelling is a sign of low intelligence - that's what we've been saying here for ages! So Lulu thinks theprofessor and co. can't be regarded as intelligent then? Yey, I think she's got it!
I've also noticed that the debunkers are being accused of making personal attacks instead of presenting an informed argument. What hypocrisy! It took several irrelevant personal attacks from Believers before any of the debunkers snapped.
I don't even know where to start with that weirdo and his drug induced, multi-coloured vomiting!
Does anyone know which threads involve discussions about us on Airliners.net?
Schooner From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0 Reply 99, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9497 times:
Deaths too good for them. People like that are a resounding endorsement for euthanasia!
Have enjoyed reading the banter on the website but wont be drawn in like Beefmoney (good work there fella).
Cheers.
XFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3664 posts, RR: 36 Reply 100, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9492 times:
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8950 posts, RR: 45 Reply 101, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9470 times:
Glad you're one of "us". You're all doing great work. I'm increasingly tempted to join in but I just don't think I'd have the patience. Anyway, my physics degree would be a major handicap!
I've added Chemtrail Central to my profile as one of my interests.
XFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3664 posts, RR: 36 Reply 102, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9457 times:
Philosophy major right here.... hey both our majors start with "Ph".... i was originally physics, wanted to get out in 4 years and all that high level math just wasn't really my thing. Focused on the logic end of things in my major- really enjoyed those classes. Too bad no one on chemtrail central has any sort of idea of logic, haha. Can be quite entertaining at times.
Beefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1111 posts, RR: 5 Reply 103, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9442 times:
Beefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1111 posts, RR: 5 Reply 104, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9385 times:
Also, if you just cant get enough wacky chemmie banter, I found "Chemtrail Tracking USA". It is a group on Yahoo.com that is essentially chemtrailcentral except without enough money to get an actual website
I read this on the site, in a thread asking if anyone has seen orange "chemplanes": "On two heavy spray days, I've seen an orange plane (or planes?) make
one or two passes at the end of the day close to sunset."
Gee, they look orange close to sunset? I guess "reflection" isnt in their vocabulary.
And heres a link to people on that site wondering if chemtrails are to help the space aliens, in human form, breath properly. Seriously.
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8950 posts, RR: 45 Reply 106, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9305 times:
I'd like to see our colleagues' responses to the latest drivel from their resident poet, whose paragraphs are shorter than his sentences, on page 22 of the "HigHer Hopez" thread. Someone posted a picture which NW41Heavy explained as a holding pattern. Our looney has asked why the trail suddenly goes up! Even I can tell that the "up" bit is where the aircraft entered the pattern horizontally from above the photographer's location.
Beefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1111 posts, RR: 5 Reply 107, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9305 times:
I have seen them remark that an aircraft was going "up" when it obviously just turned toward the photographer numerous times. "Why does the aircraft suddenly climb so fast then, huh?!?!"
...and they like to say that they "arent fooled". They sure like fooling themselves though.
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8950 posts, RR: 45 Reply 108, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9301 times:
I think he was referring to the trail going "up" out of the top left of the picture. It just goes to show how they get an idea fixed in their minds and refuse to look at things from another angle. It's clearly the path taken to join the pattern before spiralling lower, not the path of something circling and then suddenly whooshing vertically upwards.
I nearly died laughing when one of them said that "sudlety" was obviously not in (someone's) vocabulary. Er... it isn't in any of my dictionaries either! I'm becoming more convinced that a lot of these posts are written after long drinking sessions, or worse.
I'd also like to know what this "ECT" is that they keep referring to. Surely they don't all have a problem with "etc.", or is "ECT" a pause where they get electro-convulsive therapy?
XFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3664 posts, RR: 36 Reply 109, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9258 times:
interesting developments on chemtrail central today. Apparently they are about to ban all us crazy people who don't believe in chemtrails....
Beefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1111 posts, RR: 5 Reply 110, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 9251 times:
Im confused now. It says you need authorization to use the chemtrail forum, but I can still post freely there.
Is he just going to delete all our comments or what?
Beefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1111 posts, RR: 5 Reply 111, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9216 times:
OK, well, now we have been locked out.
We can read all the posts and comments, just cant post.
Looks like they dont want anyone to tell them that what they are seeing is not chemicals at all.
Beefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1111 posts, RR: 5 Reply 112, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9221 times:
I was looking at some other sites, and I found one that has been keeping tabs on our debating on CC, actually. They seem to have been keeping track, daily, of the goings on at Chemtrail Central, and I came upon what they said today when they were talking about CC barring the doors.
In the end, the hoax simply couldn't stand on it's own.
It was too weak to withstand the pilots. Yes, others did their part, Seeker and many more, but it really was the pilots who showed exactly how pitifully weak the chemtrail idea is.
So now the chemmies move into a "new world", the "inner sanctum" as flakook put it, a world where they can be whatever they please, lie whenever they wish, and nobody will dare say anything about anybody because they will all be lying to each other, and you know what they say about glass houses.....!
After reading that first part, I felt like we really did somthing there. So, I would like to shake the hands of all the pilots on this board who joined up with me and took it upon themselves to debunk the Chemtrail hoax.
I say we give ourselves a pat on the back and go merrily upon our way. Without us there, CC will become a wasteland of sorts. Incredibly boring. I mean, just look at the "CT Club".
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8950 posts, RR: 45 Reply 114, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9193 times:
Beefmoney, I just stumbled across a deleted thread from that site in February about chemtrails in subliminal advertising and some fake e-mails, allegedly from you. Wow! I guess some of them have the motto "If at first you don't succeed... cheat!".
Beefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1111 posts, RR: 5 Reply 115, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9170 times:
I remember that. When he brought up those E-mails he had "recieved", I got very angry. When you have to resort to trickery to gt your way, somthings wrong.
Beefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1111 posts, RR: 5 Reply 116, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9115 times:
I just saw what a chemmie just wrote about me. Here it is for your viewing pleasure.
The following was not allowed, even where the Dbunker PHX Pilot is:
Gawd Damnit - i finally see another post that is saying what I have been posting about the testing done in the 1950's, and we get sidetracked by PHX. Even now, I am writing that instead of backing up the first post. Gawwd Darnit anyway.
Please stop that fkr.
We need a place to talk amongst ourselves, and if PHX is here,we get screwed. please have him ousted and banned, even burned if need be.
I wasnt "sidetracking" them. I was trying to show them that what they had posted was of no importance to finding out what they see is chemicals or not.
I take it that I am doing quite a good job if they threaten to kill me to get me to leave.
Beefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1111 posts, RR: 5 Reply 118, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9030 times:
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8950 posts, RR: 45 Reply 120, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8980 times:
A good measure of the calibre of people on that sight is the thread entitled "HiGh hoPes. It's 48 pages long, about 95% of which consists of the illiterate ramblings of one "mark_sky". After 47 pages of it, someone comes along and says:
"I have to thank you Mark for this wonderful post... I don't know why, but I'm shocked at this. I have studied them for yrs, but somehow this sheds light in a different corner. How such a thing could go on, just like the trails, and no one notices and those that do are too small in number to make a difference...or they're silenced. Amazing...sav'd".
I can't begin to explain how mindless his "poems" are - you have to take a look.
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