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User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 998 posts, RR: 4
Posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13534 times:

I believe someone once came onto this site spouting off about Chemtrails and government spraying. Just wondering what most of the regulars on the tech/op's site think about this stuff.

Personally I think these people are out of their minds, just go read some of the topics in the forum on this website: http://www.chemtrailcentral.com

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User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13435 times:

This has been discussed several times before. At least one of them had guest appearances from a "believer". I can see how it might make sense to a hypochondriac who knew nothing about planes or physics, though. especialy with the occasional letter from an "insider".


When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineBeefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1113 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13415 times:

As you may notice on the forums on that site, there is a person with the name "PHXPilot". That is me. Ive been on there for a few months now exposing the flaws in their theories. They dont like me. I wonder why?  Smile In fact, they have become so irritated with me that they started a whole new forum section that I cant get into and ruin their fun.

I would be happy if many of my fellow A.netters would register and help me debunk their theories. It would help me out drastically. Ive been visiting that site 12 hours per day. I need some backup  Smile


User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13393 times:

Hey there Beefmoney, I have to say that I picked up on you pretty quickly there fighting the good fight! I have to say that as a pilot as well I am tempted to go on there and back you up, just to give those wacko's someone new to argue with!

So your the reason why they have that exclusive forum as well...bravo to you sir! Truly an accomplishment! I wonder if anything like that will ever happen to airliners.net?

Perhaps I will sign up, I'll let you know what my handle will be if I do.


User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13380 times:

Beefmoney, YYCPilot is now on the scene to give you some backup and make their lives even more miserable!

User currently offlineBeefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1113 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13381 times:

I see we have 2 new members on Chemtrail Central fighting the good fight.

Very nice.

My main reason for being there is to keep people from watching airliners and thinking that the beautiful contrails are really made of poison.


Thats horrible. I dont want anyone to believe that.

A word of warning though, if you become a "debunker" on chemtrailcentral, you will be viciously attacked verbally by the extremists on that site who will change their mind for no one. Ive learned to deal with them, but you should be prepared to be called "F**** nazi" or a government agent sent to hide the truth. I have been told 3 times to "choke on your F**** dinner you F**** Nazi!!"

Just a word of warning, but other than that, thanks for joining. We need as much actual knowledge in there as possible.

 Big thumbs up


User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13376 times:

I can hardly wait to be attacked!
"I love the smell of debunking in the morning. It smells like....victory." Big grin


User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13369 times:

I may just have to submit that website as an "Awful link of the Day" for Somethingawful.com!

User currently offlineBeefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1113 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13368 times:

Hey man, go for it.  Smile

But, Im a longtime member of Fark.com. And, as you may know, Fark and Somthingawful are bitter rivals, so dont expect me to rally with the goons over there.

FARK OR NOTHING!  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13368 times:

Anyone have a hammer and a wooden stake so we can drive it into the heart of this topic, and kill it once and for all?

Besides, everyone -knows- chemtrails are caused by Martian spaceships dumping their lavs in-flight whenever they visit earth...  Nuts





User currently offlineBeefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1113 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13365 times:

Hey OPNLguy, if you want to drive a stake into it and kill this retarded theory once and for all, I would like to recruit you for the Debunker Force. Get on chemtrailcentral and explain what they are seeing, and we can get through to as many people as possible. Then they will stop yakking about it.  Smile

Debunker Force....WE WANT YOU!  Smile


User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13362 times:

which forum where you banned from?

PDXpilot



When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineBeefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1113 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13358 times:

Second from the top of the list of forums. You need a password to get in. They wont give me one  Smile

User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13354 times:

Come and join up, and fight the good fight over at chemtrailcentral.com!
I wonder if any of those goofs have picked up a picture of a plane making contrails, plus the APU putting out a small one as well? That would probably have them jumping to all sorts of new conclusions!


User currently offlineBeefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1113 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13351 times:

I wonder if any of those goofs have picked up a picture of a plane making contrails, plus the APU putting out a small one as well?

You bet they have. At least 3 times. And thats what we told them. Then they said I was a nazi. Again.

They really like jumping to conclusions  Smile


User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13347 times:

Unbelievable, I remember hearing this stuff on Art Bell when I would be driving home late at night and laughing my ass off at it all!

User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13340 times:

If I am noticing a trend...the new signups are all using the basic context of your username Beefmoney. "IDENT"Pilot, then they will know that they are dealing with the debunkers and general %$it disturbers!

User currently offlineBeefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1113 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13339 times:

..and another. I welcome PDXpilot to the debunker family  Smile

I also find it interesting that some of the new debunkers have chosen names similar to mine.  Big thumbs up

PHXPilot
PDXPilot
YYCPilot

$5 says that the chemmies will accuse you guys of really being me (PHXPilot) just under different names.

Just watch Smile


User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13333 times:

Come on now Beefmoney, $5 dollars American is too rich for us Canadians to even think of wagering on...that's like half my yearly salary!

User currently offlineBeefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1113 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13325 times:

Oh yes, I forgot.  Smile

How about 2 cents?

Not much of a gamble anyway, no doubt they will accuse you of being me.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13325 times:

>>>Hey OPNLguy, if you want to drive a stake into it and kill this retarded theory once and for all, I would like to recruit you for the Debunker Force.

Sorry, I have much better things to do with my time than trying to convince the unconvincable...

I'm sure the chemtrail crowd would probably also try to have me killed but 987cj[m' klkpcp[l NO CARRIER



User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13320 times:

after YYC did it, i had no choice- Solidarity!


When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineBeefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1113 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13311 times:

Sorry, I have much better things to do with my time than trying to convince the unconvincable...

Well, dont we all?  Smile

But debating with chemmies is addicting. Its like a drug. A stupid, ignorant drug.  Smile


User currently offlineBeefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1113 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13304 times:

Man, Ive been checking up on chemtrailcentral every few minutes and we havent gotten one response back yet. This is quite possibly one of the longest times between chemmie posts I can remember. I think we scared them off.  Smile


User currently offlineBeefmoney From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1113 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13148 times:

Well, they seem to have caught on to the influx of debunkers.

I would like to thank all of you who decided to join and post. Hopefully some of our posts will filter through, and someone will be enlightened.  Smile

And I encourage anyone else to join and fight the good fight.  Smile


25 Dan2002 : They seem not to know anything about science. Jeez they don't even know what effects the sun has on clouds. Well im with you 100% my usrnm is DBNKPilo
26 Post contains images Beefmoney : Hey Dan2002. Now your using some strategy *Note: For those who think that his idea may be deceitful and misleading, you must remember that these peopl
27 Post contains images Beefmoney : Where are all of you? I was up till 1 last night responding to some new chemmies, then I got up at 4 this morning to do it some more. We've been havin
28 David L : Might give it a go at the weekend. It's a scream.
29 Ben : I just joined the forum too! This is going to be so much fun... Hope it doesnt take too long to get some replies..
30 C172Akula : Sorry there Beefmoney, I haven't been on much this last day or so. I've had pretty full days of flying, but rest assured I will be on tonight bashing
31 XFSUgimpLB41X : I cant resist.. gonna have to register...
32 Beefmoney : No problem C172. And thank you XFSUgimpLB41X. It seems the chemmies have found this thread and have started posting sections of it on Chemtrailcentral
33 Post contains images C172Akula : I remember the last time someone posted about chemtrails on here, the laughs could very well be heard all over the world. But since big brother is wat
34 Post contains images Radarbeam : Now way I'm missing out on some good laughs. YULpilot is chemtrailcentral's newest user. Which forum are you guys posting into?
35 Post contains images Beefmoney : Hey RadarBeam. 99% of my posts are in the top forum on the list named "Chemtrails". Thats the main big one. Im very pleased with the response on here.
36 Post contains images C172Akula : Are we still being spied on? It's a good thing I have a couple of 'other' aviation boards I'm on, and their identities will remain secret so I can plo
37 Post contains images Beefmoney : I wouldnt doubt that a couple of them check up on us here. Ive got a couple other boards too, so it doesnt bother me too much.
38 C172Akula : Now they are making fun of us not having girlfriends! If sailors can be married to the sea, can't we be married to the sky? I love you chemmies.
39 Post contains images Beefmoney : Theres a reason we've had so many posts on here titled "Reasons airplanes are better than women"
40 Post contains images Dan2002 : Why dont we make a forum that they cant get into
41 Post contains images Beefmoney : Lol, I think they would stay out of this forum just because it costs money.
42 Post contains images David L : After reading a few days worth of what's going on there I've decided to leave it to "you guys". With a few exceptions, there are generally two types o
43 Beefmoney : I was just reading the other parts of the site, and one part said that you can tell if it is a chemtrail because chemtrails are formed in X's or paral
44 David L : I can't believe some of the stuff over there. What do they call clouds? Chemblobs? There were a few chemblobs over my house this afternoon that lasted
45 CanadianPilot : That website makes me laugh....then it gets me really pissed too!! I wrote up a long post on exactly how contrails are formed. And well, I got banned
46 Beefmoney : CanadianPilot, were you NotasNaiveasYou?
47 Post contains images CanadianPilot : I don't think they liked my username!
48 Post contains images Beefmoney : They didnt seem to
49 CanadianPilot : But All I did was post some facts! Geez
50 Beefmoney : But they dont like those.
51 David L : Don't chemblob the issue with facts.
52 David L : Actually, once you've studied what they're saying in depth, you can see that they make sense. I've finally realised that you can prove that chemtrails
53 Avioniker : David, You sound like my kind of people. Had me running for the drugs to bring me back to earth before I realized you are being a bit less than comple
54 David L : Apparently there are sometimes more aircraft seen spraying in one area than actually exist so some of them must be going back round again. What? More
55 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Chemtrails are real! Airbus went public with it recently... B4e-Forever New Frontiers
56 David L : No doubt Airbus are already working on a silent version.
57 Post contains links OPNLguy : Beefmoney I was looking for something else, and stumbled across this thread on the subject... I see you're in it as well.... It was just from January,
58 Beefmoney : Well, thats it. Im done. They have just become stupider and stupider. Yes, I know that sounds harsh, but thats how it is. Im sick of people gloating a
59 David L : Don't feel bad, Beefmoney - you've done a great job, even by just drawing our attention to it and certainly by exposing their complete lack of logic.
60 David L : Just read your departure speech, Beefmoney. As usual, they reacted as if they'd been told Santa Claus didn't exist... fingers in the ears, screams of
61 XFSUgimpLB41X : What the heck is with that poetry?? It's horrendous! Just wrote a few threads on there.. I'll keep going there and posting occasionally until i get ti
62 Post contains images Beefmoney : Well, I just got back on to check the replys to my good-bye post, and saw exactly what I expected......Ignorance. Whats sad is that they are destroyin
63 Beefmoney : Example: "I would very strongly encourage some of the member of this forum to educate themselves on basic heavy aircraft operations" Response by chemm
64 Doug_or : I'll keep up my non-confrontational style of posting of infomration. I'll also keep skipping over anyting evertte eyes types- it makes it a lot less s
65 Beefmoney : As many of you may have noticed, I broke my promise and came back to ChemtrailCentral. Yep, Im still posting there. But, get this, a chemmie just verb
66 Covert : Maybe he meant - 56 degrees celcius ...
67 Beefmoney : He didnt, trust me. He would have cleared that up within seconds, trying to avoid the onslaught of corrections by every debunker on the site. Plus, he
68 Goboeing : Unfortunately, I do not have the chart in front of me right now, however, I will tell you that the standard air temperature at 36,000 feet is NOT 56 d
69 XFSUgimpLB41X : That one dude loves his capslock.
70 David L : +56 degrees C/F at 36,000 ft? Could be possible... on their home planet, wherever that is.
71 Post contains images Beefmoney : have any of you heard about these "chembusters" that chemmies make that supposedly make "chemtrails" disappear. Ive seen photos of "chembusters" in ch
72 David L : That chemwatcher character provides the stupidest, most inept argument I think I've ever seen on the internet. There is just no way to discuss anythin
73 Buckfifty : You're not gonna win on a site with a forum addressed as "Advanced Aircraft and UFO's." If there weren't looney people in this world, you won't be abl
74 Beefmoney : Quite right David L. I used to think that a few other people on that site were dense, but Chemwatcher absolutely blows them out of the water. He makes
75 Skyguy11 : Ahahahha!!!!!! I just read this thread and visited the site! Ahahahah that is funny!
76 Avt007 : These folks are amazing. They always talk about the government, though. Do they think all gov`ts around the world do it? Or just the US? Or is it one
77 Doug_or : its the new world order, or NWO as they usualy refer to it.
78 David L : Or, as some of them call it, the "New World Odor". Given their "mastery" of language I'm tempted to believe it's a typo but I'll give them the benefit
79 Beefmoney : If theres one thing I have learned from chemtrailcentral, it is that their main reason for believing in chemtrails is that the government is evil. The
80 Beefmoney : Sometimes I wonder if I should report these guys to some sort of law enforcement agency. I have heard them say: 1. Get mirrors and reflect light into
81 Delta-flyer : They do seem like a bunch of whackos, and they are not accepting new members. Obviously, they want to keep dissenting opinions out. Pete
82 David L : Hmm... Where have I seen that tactic before? Oh yeah, in countries where you can freely enter political debate as long as you agree with the governmen
83 AC320 : if they get stupid enough With all that crap on their forums, they're not at that stupidity level yet?!
84 Post contains images Beefmoney : With all that crap on their forums, they're not at that stupidity level yet?! Truer words have never been spoken
85 AC320 : In 5 minutes reading their garbage I heard about everything from aliens, to government plots, to new world orders, to the Chinese, to Saddam, to secre
86 Post contains images 2912n : At work we give these type of people hats made of tin foil. (reynolds wrap seems to work the best.) They usually find relief from the voices/chemicals
87 Beefmoney : I've wondered many times if I ever interact with any of them in my daily life. Is "Chemwatcher" (One of the craziest on there) my local carpenter? Is
88 AC320 : were gonna have to deal with them. Indeed. Home-made lobotomies for the lot of them. All I need is a can opener, sterilized water and an ice cream sco
89 Beefmoney : And look what one of them just said to me: Pilot, I was thinking of you today as I came up on a tragic auto accident on the highway,what a shame that
90 AC320 : Serious issues. They need therapy and fast.
91 Post contains images Beefmoney : Well, there is another thread on CC showing this thread. So, EVERYONE WAVE TO THEM!! Hi Lulu!!
92 AC320 : They'll move onto to something else when the catch onto the fact that the government is really spreading secret chemicals and experiements through the
93 Post contains images Beefmoney : That and pennies are only kept in circulation to secretly gather our DNA for evil New World Order cloning programs once the altered cottage cheese has
94 AC320 : I'm off the penny theory. Now after watching TV I'm convinced the guy in the Oxy-Clean commercial is being used to brainwash society into buying that
95 David L : Beefmoney, what's the thread called? I had a quick look but couldn't find it. I'm at work so I can't spend too much time looking - can't wait to read
96 David L : "... the watchers no matter how outlandish their "conspiracy" may be they will remain more honest then you debunk's will ever!" HatchetML has got to b
97 Post contains images Beefmoney : With apologies to anyone who suffers from genuine respiratory problems, it must be strange watching hundreds of people around them carrying on as norm
98 David L : Do we know who NW41Heavy and CaptWalker are? I'm not asking anyone to spill the beans, it's just that I can't believe how weak the counters to the deb
99 Schooner : Deaths too good for them. People like that are a resounding endorsement for euthanasia! Have enjoyed reading the banter on the website but wont be dra
100 Post contains images XFSUgimpLB41X : NW41Heavy is me.
101 David L : Glad you're one of "us". You're all doing great work. I'm increasingly tempted to join in but I just don't think I'd have the patience. Anyway, my phy
102 XFSUgimpLB41X : Philosophy major right here.... hey both our majors start with "Ph".... i was originally physics, wanted to get out in 4 years and all that high level
103 Beefmoney : Do we know this new "Chemcaptain"? Is he an A.netter?
104 Post contains links and images Beefmoney : Also, if you just cant get enough wacky chemmie banter, I found "Chemtrail Tracking USA". It is a group on Yahoo.com that is essentially chemtrailcent
105 David L : Thanks for the link, Beefmoney. "That guy's got more money than I have - must be a space alien"!
106 David L : I'd like to see our colleagues' responses to the latest drivel from their resident poet, whose paragraphs are shorter than his sentences, on page 22 o
107 Beefmoney : I have seen them remark that an aircraft was going "up" when it obviously just turned toward the photographer numerous times. "Why does the aircraft s
108 David L : I think he was referring to the trail going "up" out of the top left of the picture. It just goes to show how they get an idea fixed in their minds an
109 XFSUgimpLB41X : interesting developments on chemtrail central today. Apparently they are about to ban all us crazy people who don't believe in chemtrails....
110 Beefmoney : Im confused now. It says you need authorization to use the chemtrail forum, but I can still post freely there. Is he just going to delete all our comm
111 Beefmoney : OK, well, now we have been locked out. We can read all the posts and comments, just cant post. Looks like they dont want anyone to tell them that what
112 Post contains images Beefmoney : I was looking at some other sites, and I found one that has been keeping tabs on our debating on CC, actually. They seem to have been keeping track, d
113 Post contains images David L : And we can still talk about them, of course .
114 David L : Beefmoney, I just stumbled across a deleted thread from that site in February about chemtrails in subliminal advertising and some fake e-mails, allege
115 Beefmoney : I remember that. When he brought up those E-mails he had "recieved", I got very angry. When you have to resort to trickery to gt your way, somthings w
116 Post contains images Beefmoney : I just saw what a chemmie just wrote about me. Here it is for your viewing pleasure. The following was not allowed, even where the Dbunker PHX Pilot i
117 David L : "Mummy, make the big boys go away"!
118 Post contains links Beefmoney : Take a look at this thread: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chemtrailtrackingusa/message/96232 My oh my.
119 David L : Oh no! That means... more window seats for the rest of us. I see the usual wealth of evidence is being offered.
120 David L : A good measure of the calibre of people on that sight is the thread entitled "HiGh hoPes. It's 48 pages long, about 95% of which consists of the illit
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