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757 Fuel Jettison Equipment  
User currently offlineRydawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 858 posts, RR: 8
Posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

Hello...

I stumbled upon this photo

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-- I happend to notice what looks like a fuel jettison valve located between the outboard and inboard flaps. I was reading this post http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/read.main/52188/ where it implies the 757 doesn't have such a feature.

I have looked at other Northwest 757-200/300 A/C
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As you can see, these don't have it, and I cannot locate any other airlines with it.
Can someone please explain what I am seeing? There are no other previous owners to this bird, at least that I can locate...Thanks for the help....Ryan


You can take the pup out of Alaska, but you can't take the Alaska out of the pup.
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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

None of our 757s have a fuel dump facility, but I understand it is an option on the heavier models?


I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineRydawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 858 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

Rick I assume you are talking about NWA? If so, Im just trying to understand what I am seeing in that picture...Ryan


You can take the pup out of Alaska, but you can't take the Alaska out of the pup.
User currently offlineB747Skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

Dear Rydawg82...
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Remember this word: options... options... options...
Boeing makes airplanes and offers options to airline customers...
I never say "never has" or "always will be with" when talking of an airplane...
I never say "you are wrong"... maybe Mr. Boeing really did, or... did not...
xxx
Rick is our resident expert 757-767 here in Tech.Ops... I can only mumble about 747 whales... and will mention a few things about "fuel dump"... let me use pounds since you are from USA, some people there dont like kee-lohs...
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In my 747, we have a jettison system (fuel dump) which as you know is a quick way to reduce aircraft weight in case of emergency. If you care to inform yourself about regulatory aspects of the jettison system, read FAR 25 or JAR 25 about fuel tanks and weights...
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The 747 I fly has a maximum takeoff weight of 833,000 lbs, and maximum landing weight of 630,000 lbs. In case maintenance informs me that the jettison system is inoperative, I consult my MEL to read that I can takeoff, but only 6,000 lbs heavier than maximum landing weight = 636,000 lbs... Yet, what is interesting to note, if I takeoff at 833,000 lbs, and have a dire emergency requiring me to return and land immediately, probably at about 827,000 lbs or so, the aircraft can do it perfectly well, hoping the runway is long enough, because the speed will be high... All airplanes are flown by test pilots when they are first certificated, to be able to land at their maximum takeoff weight, no matter what.
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I have landed a couple of times over maximum landing weight with airplanes, all they do is a "heavy landing inspection"... did not seem to be that much in it, since it was done in one hour, and signed off... maybe our MX experts will tell us about that in more technical terms...
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Rick tells you that his 757 dont have jettison system, maybe some which are heavier (weight options by Mr. Boeing) require the installation of a dump system...
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Happy contrails  Smile
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3466 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

Early models of the 757 were not certified with a fuel dump system as there was no requirement for one. Later models provided an increased MGTOW and the FAA placed a fuel dump requirement for those models. Boeing modified the production line and this is now a customer option on all models of 757s.


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User currently offlineA/c train From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 501 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

Rick 767, our resident 75 expert, excellent  Wink/being sarcastic.

What airline do you fly for rick ? its either BY or Air2K. Hopefully the latter.

regards a/c.


User currently offlineM717 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 608 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3892 times:

No 757 that I have operated (for 2 different airlines) had fuel jettison capability, so evidently these were earlier models.

User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

"What airline do you fly for rick ? its either BY or Air2K. Hopefully the latter."

Yep don't worry it is BY... but.... that's not what you said is it  Crying



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineYikes! From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

The picture you've shown is not a fuel jettison pipe but a piece of rubber/neoprene insulation that's worked its way loose from inside the flap mechanism.

Fuel jettison is not a normal option on the 757-200 as it is quite capable of landing safely at its full gross weight of nearly 114,000 kg with nothing but an overweight inspection to follow.

Best Regards


User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Actually I think Yikes! has got it here, on closer inspection that is probably exactly what it is. In any event if such a system was installed the jettison nozzle would probably not be located so close to the fuselage but instead would be in a more outboard position as with the 767 (inboard of the outboard aileron on each wing).

I would still be interested to know if any airlines were actually forced to take the jettison option on the 757-200, or whether they all got around the regulation at the time.

I'm 99% sure that no 757 in the UK has this feature.



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineYikes! From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

Look closely at the photo. Typical diameter of jettison nozzles is in the order of 1.5 - 2 inches.

Best Regards


User currently offlineRydawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 858 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3817 times:

Alright, Im a fool, thinking rubber is a jettison....  Smile Although you must admit at first glance it holds the shape, although not placement of a a jettison...Thanks for your help guys...Ryan


You can take the pup out of Alaska, but you can't take the Alaska out of the pup.
User currently offlineYikes! From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

A good pilot always recognizes a rubber.

Or piece of rubber.

Whatever...


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