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Headset Wars: Dave Clark Vs. LightSPEED  
User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6088 times:

Hey all,

You may remember a thread started last year by myself, asking what type of ANR (or ENC) headset I should purchase. I'm finally in a position to pick one up, and I've narrowed it down to two; the Dave Clark H10-20X ENC, and the LightSPEED 20XL-2.

One one hand, the LightSPEED price is about 200 clams easier than the Dave Clark, and I've heard really good things about it. On the other hand it's Dave Clark we are talking about here, and they are regarded as the best. Plus, I've actually tried the Dave Clark out, and I really liked it.

The point of this thread? I just want some input.

Thanks in advance,

-Normal

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User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6030 times:

I own an expensive pair of 10-13XL's (ENC) headsets..by David Clark.

They are very rugged and all, but I swear I don't know if I could wear them for more than a couple hours straight. They aren't very comfortable, but then again its all about what you're looking for. David Clark has a great quality policy. I don't know much about Lightspeeds except that they are comfortable. If I could do it all over again I think I'd save the money and get the LS's.

Good luck,
FSP


User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6032 times:

Well, Lightspeed has a new model based on Peltor headsets somewhat under the name QFR XC2. If they're anything like the Solo's I own, I'd sure love to have them if I had that many pennies. The ANR isn't quite what it is on some other models, but it would probably be ideal in single engine pistons where there is more wind noise than prop roar. The Solo's are very comfortable, and the new seals they have almost barely touch your head they feel like, yet they still block out 26 dB passively, and the new headband add-on feels like a cloud sitting on your head. However, in regards to the price tag, you better be ready to shell out approximately two-hundred ninety dollars  Laugh out loud. Yes, they're quite cheap. One question though, why did they have to GLUE the earmuffs to the sets?

Cheers
-Mike


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6014 times:

I have a David Clark 10-13.4....I like it fine, good quality, but even though its supposed to be light and comfortable, it still feels heavy to me, squeezes my head in strange ways too. Been thinking about selling it and buying some type of ANR headset.

User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6014 times:

I wouldn't ever buy a David Clark. I think they're over rated and over priced. Get the Lightspeed. I have a 25XL and I love them.

 Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1168 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6003 times:

Get a sigtronics ANR.. not the biggest name in headsets but huge in intercoms and really well built...

User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5987 times:

I don't think I could sell mine. I mean they are in amazing condition, but I paid nearly 700 for them, and i dont know how much I could get back if I sold em.

Plan to keep em for a looooooong time =)

FSP


User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5980 times:

Exactly why I say they're over priced.  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineFlightSimFreak From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5980 times:

David Clark is great with maintenance and repairs. My boss had about 10 headsets that had broken over time (heavy use and he waits till he has a bunch to send them off.) He sends them a note saying that if they need parts, make one of the headsets a sacrifice and use it's parts on the others. Most of the breakages were in the headbands, and these headsets were way out of warranty. DC replaces all the broken parts, puts new, redesigned headbands on all off the headsets, replaces the earcups on a lot of them, does a lot of repairs on non-broken things like mics that still worked, plugs that were still good. They put all new gel earseals on the earcups, and sent us a few extra headbands for if any of our other headsets had a problem. To top it off, they didn't charge us at all, not even for shipping, and they didn't use any of our headsets as a sacrifice. That's a testament to how much they love their customers.

User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5957 times:

Dave Clark has awesome customer service.

I owned one of the first verisons of the Lightspeeds. I've borrowed a freinds DC noise cancelling just to compare. I thought the Lightspeeds were quieter and more comfortable than the DC.

Batteries are the other consideration. Lightspeeds use 2 AA and last for something like 30 hours of flight time. The DC used 8 or 10 AA and didn't seem to last as long. Don't know if this is still true, but it was a couple of years ago.

Probably going to enjoy the headsets no matter which you go with.


User currently offlineAvioniker From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1109 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

I've had my DC's for 29 years and when the foam finally crumbled I sent them in for a "tune-up". The DC people replaced the foam in the cups and on the headband, replaced the volume pot and threw in a set of fabric covers that make them really comfortable and don't alter the noise supressing characteristics that I can notice. The total charge was $18.50 for shipping. They didn't bill me for anything else.
I don't think the metal headband is in any danger of breaking anytime soon so I'd go with DC's again if I ever had to.



One may educate the ignorance from the unknowing but stupid is forever. Boswell; ca: 1533
User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5943 times:

My 25XL 2AA batteries last upwards of 50 hours. No joke. I've also had excellent customer service from them when my headset needed fixing, the equivalent of anyone's DC story here. So, DCs are still over priced.  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineAvioniker From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1109 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5937 times:

Batteries? You need batteries?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
I forgot to mention, My DC's were a gift when I got one of my tickets, I forgot which...



One may educate the ignorance from the unknowing but stupid is forever. Boswell; ca: 1533
User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5939 times:

I wouldn't need batteries if you bought me an airplane!  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineAvioniker From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1109 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5921 times:

CHS class of 68 lived on Adair
(I know who stole the steam whistle...)



One may educate the ignorance from the unknowing but stupid is forever. Boswell; ca: 1533
User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5916 times:

Hmmm...

Not exactly the responses I expected. But this is good. Let's keep it going.

-Normal


User currently offlineFlightSimFreak From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5906 times:

The new DC ENC headsets use 9 volt batteries, they claim that they last longer. I think that it only uses one.



User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 5893 times:

One of my students has a DC with a 9 volt. I don't know the exact model, but it doesn't appear to last more than 20 hours. Seems less to me, but I'm allowing for time that he uses it without me with him.

Part of the reason seems to be that the headset is extremly voltage sensitive. Last time it died, the battery he took out of it still powered other electronic devices just fine. As opposed to the last pair of AAs I took out of my set, they had zero juice left according to the tester. So, I think Lightspeed has the better circuit design.  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineSchooner From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 5883 times:

I have got the DC 13.10Xs, they cut out background drone really well, are comfortable and I would not got back to passive headsets after using ANRs but........... you are correct about the batteries, about 25-30 hours from one 9v battery.
Cheers

PS, the only other gripe I have is that they come with approx 2 metres of cord which is a bit of a pain to arrange in the cockpit.



Untouched and Alive
User currently offlineAmeriCam From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 29 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 5873 times:

I swear by my LightSPEED 15XL. Flew a lot previously with passive DC 10-20... DC customer service was good. Swiched to LS, and havent looked back. For the money the LS is the way to go.

Cameron



"If you're going to crash, make it a fiery one."
User currently offlineGeotrash From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5805 times:

I own an airplane with 3 other folks. All of them have something other than David Clark, except me. I have the 10-20s and like them. Lightspeed and Avcomm are the other brands represented, and the others have had to send theirs out to have broken or snapped parts fixed at some point, and one lost his mic in the pattern. The Lightspeeds are quite delicate compared to David Clarks.

David Clarks are built like tanks, designed to work no matter what, which is the most important 'feature' to me, especially when flying alone. I have never suffered a broken part or failure of any kind, nor has anyone else I know who owns DCs. There's something to be said for rugged reliability. It makes for one less thing to go wrong.

Dave


User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5773 times:

This past week I had the opportunity to use a pair of Lightspeed headsets. They seemed to be nice units. That being said, I am still a big fan of David Clarks. There was a saying that no one ever got in trouble for recommending IBM. I think the same thing goes for David Clark. Are the other brands just as good? Who knows? I would guess that they probably are, but never the less, I've got a set of David Clark DCNC headsets that are 12 years old and they still look and work like new. I've got another set of David Clark headsets that I've had for nearly 20 years and they're like new also. As far as I'm concerned, their only shortcomings can be easily and inexpensively corrected with a set of Oregon Aero ear pads and a sheepskin top pad. The others may be OK and you may get a lot of service out of them. I would guess that if you're only going to be using them for recreational or non-professional use any of them would be just fine. When it comes to a pilot's professional equipment, that's another thing. It doesn't really make a lot of sense to me to skimp on something as basic as a headset. No one ever regretted buying a David Clark - it's the excepted standard. I don't think that I've ever heard anyone ever compare a David Clark to any other brand of headset, but you're always hearing the other brands saying that they are as good as DC's. Get the DCs, you can't go wrong. Besides, getting another brand would be like riding a Yamaha to the Harley convention in Sturgis.  Big thumbs up

(Geeze, I'm sounding like a DC salesman.)

Jetguy



User currently offlineALSF 2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 89 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5768 times:

I have a pair of the Lightspeed 25XL's.... LOVE THEM! The batteries last about 50 hrs for my 121 schedule, and I love the auto-shutoff feature if you leave them on. About a year and a half ago one of the brackets for the ear cup broke, I just called the cust. service number and sent them away. When they came back FREE OF CHARGE, they not only had the stronger redesigned brackets installed, but they put new padding in and installed the latest version electronics for the ANR!! Awesome!

Cheers!!


User currently offlineGeotrash From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5746 times:

David Clark was the originator of stellar customer service. They set the bar to the point that all other manufacturers have had to measure up.

User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5741 times:

Just because someone originates something doesn't mean no one else can do it just as well. The only way Lightspeed could improve their customer service toward me is to come to my house to take care of my needs.

DC is not better or worse. The consumer doesn't give a rip about who was first.



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25 NormalSpeed : Thanks for the input guys. (Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Monty Burns sponsors the Church... "We higly value your input...until you sign t
26 Post contains images Cancidas : I currently fly with David Clark's H10-13XL. I have had no complaints about the headset. The level of comfort only matters if you will be flying in co
27 JBirdAV8r : I know a certain major airline 777 captain that uses the Lightspeed 25XL's and swears by them (he says it REALLY helps him understand the English of s
28 Geotrash : DC is not better or worse. The consumer doesn't give a rip about who was first. You missed the point, but I'm too lazy to explain it again.
29 Ralgha : Guess I did miss the point, but I don't see where you ever did explain it in the first place. Oh, and as far as durability goes, all our club's DC hea
30 Geotrash : It's actually pretty simple. I've had a good night's rest so I'll remediate. They set the bar to the point that all other manufacturers have had to me
31 Ralgha : DOUBTFUL?? YOU are telling ME that I don't know what MY OWN CLUB'S headsets are like? The QFRs disappeared (despicable), and the others (including the
32 XFSUgimpLB41X : I've used my David Clark H20-10's for a long time now...and will continue wearing them until there comes the need to wear some little telex's when i f
33 NormalSpeed : "...and the others (including the DCs) were in pieces..." Guys, guys, all rental/loaner headsets are usually beat to hell. People just don't take as g
34 Post contains images Geotrash : Ralgha, Just giving you a hard time No doubt the DCs are capable of breaking with hard use, but I do believe they are generally sturdier than the othe
35 NoUFO : BTW: Did anyone try the new Bose X or even consider to pay $1900 for this headset? I understand it seems to be brilliant, but 1900 bucks?¿ NoUFO
36 Post contains images Ralgha : Yeah rental headsets are not taken care of, and it's not a reflection on the manufacturer. Just for the record though, not really related, our club is
37 Post contains images CanadianPilot : I own a pair of AvComm AC900's ......Much cheaper than DC's, and the customer service has been very good. Unfortunately, I have had to deal with them
38 SSTjumbo : Somewhat off topic, but while we're on the topic of headsets anyone know a cheap way I can rig my aviation headsets into a computer without burining o
39 Post contains links Ralgha : You can buy adapters for exorbitant amounts of money, don't remember where, search google for something along the lines of "pc aviation headset adapte
40 Dw747400 : Bought a LS 20 3G and it has been great... far more comfortable than the DCs I have tried (though they were passive DCs... never used DC ANR). The LS
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