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Constellation 3 Tails, Why?  
User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

why did the lockheed constellatin have the triple tail design? not that it's bad, i just don't get it.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

It was a requirement for the design put on by TWA.

They wanted an aircraft that would be able to fit completely within it's existing maintance hangers.



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User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

3 smaller rudders eliminate 1 big one?


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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6340 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

Indeed thay do. The Connie was originally designed with a standard tail. L-188 had the answer.


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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1986 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

TWA had several hangars at MKC (Kansas City), STL, PHL and LGA similar to the one shown below. A connie is shown for reference.
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User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

I believe the some of the original TWA hangars are still standing at MKC. They're just down from Executive Beechcraft. Like L-188 said, the Connie's tail wouldn't fit in the door - the conventional geared DC-3 was the mainline aircraft back in those days.

User currently offlineBroke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2660 times:

1. Can get into a hangar with a shorter door.

2. Easier control with an engine out.

3. The Lockheed 10's, 12's, 14's, and Lodestars all had double vertical stabilizers. Could it be just a trade mark of the Lockheed design? For instance, deHavilland vertical stabilizers were pretty much the same proportions and shape up through the Mosquito; other manufacturers did the same.


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

FYI that TWA hanger in PHL was only torn down in 1999 to make room for the new international terminal. The database has a decent pic of that TW hanger.

User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1986 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

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User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

I remember watching a documentary about Kelly Johnson and Lockheed. I seem to remember that the hangars in question were in MKC (Kansas City) not PHL. I could be wrong though. The hangars in MKC were still standing as far as I know, but it's been a year or so since I've been through there though.
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User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

The Douglas DC-4 started life with a triple tail as well, however only one was built, before the design was changed.

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6340 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

411A, you are correct to a point. The DC-4E was a 3 vertical design but, besides the DC-4 designation, had little resemblance to the later C-54/DC-4.

Further discussion on that aircraft is better left to a seperate thread though.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2415 times:

Yes, the DC-4E was an entirely different creature then the contemporary DC-4.

The only one built was sold to Japan right before the war.



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