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FAA To Issue New Pilot Certificates  
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5795 times:

The FAA has decided to issue new "secure" pilot certificates:




Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5664 times:

"Secure" eh? I just hope there aint some guy out there who has the name of John Q. Public. (Or John Q.)

User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5653 times:

One thing is for sure, and that is the current paper cut-out ones they send to new pilots definitely aren't too "secure"!

Nick


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5659 times:

heh. They're neat. I can't wait to show the new and improved ones off to girls at parties...the grey cardboard ones haven't been doing too well in that department.

On a side note, I don't think I'd want to get on John Q Public's bad side...he's kind of a big guy.


User currently offlineTheiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5637 times:

Out of curiousity, are there are a lot of 25 year old Flight Engineers out there?

User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5627 times:

Any more information? Are they just going to start sending those to the current certificate holders, or are they going to phase them in gradually when we get new certificates and ratings? And when does all this fun start?

Personally, I think the new ones look a lot better than the old ones, and hopefully they'll be a bit more durable.

-Normal


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5645 times:

NormalSpeed,

Apparently they'll be gradually phased in with new certificates/ratings and as replacements for damaged or lost certificates. Also, apparently the change is immediate, everyone will now be recieving these.


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5613 times:

Will these be paper or plastic??? I think that maybe having the holder's photo on it as well would be another improvement...but even as is right now its definitely a vast improvement...

Greg



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User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

Mmmmhhh... 25 y/o FE? I'm one of them. Big grin

RM



There are no stupid questions... just stupid people!
User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

My CFI who taught me my PPL lessons was a 727 F/E and he was 22 years old. John Q. has some catching up to do!

I agree, a photo on the license would be even more "secure."

Nick


User currently offlineArch89U From United States of America, joined May 2001, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5559 times:

I took my Private Checkride on June 23rd, do I get one of these or one of the old style?



User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5560 times:

by the time the FAA gets thier asses around to doing something... you'll get the new one.  Big thumbs up


"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

Screw security, I'm just stoked that it's finally plastic and not paper anymore.  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5533 times:

I like the new certificates, but on the security end, what good will it do? Unless everyone is required to have a new certificate (and they're not unless they get a new rating or lose their certificate), people can easily counterfeit the old license and it's just as "valid". To realize any benefit, they'd have to declare all the old certificates as null and void and send everyone a new license. They say it's too much of a pain to put the photos on the certificates, but I think it'd be relatively simple if they just tell all applicants to attach a passport photo to their 8710-1 form.


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5513 times:

No wonder it's taking Mr. (well, I suppose Mrs.) FAA so long this time around to issue permanent certificates...geesh.

Oh well...like others have said...having a paper cut-out certificate just don't seem to impress the ladies....



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5474 times:

I've typically had to wait 3 months for FAA certificates (if they bother to send them to me at all). How long did you have to wait?


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5402 times:

Great. We have a picture of Wilbur Wright's back on it; that's really secure.

Maybe driver's licenses should have a picture of Henry Ford on them instead of the person who holds the license?


User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5365 times:

Hey, i was a 22 year old FE, But on a different note are the A & P licenses gonna go the same route?


"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5365 times:

uh, how does that make it secure?

note to FAA - put people's pictures on it!



"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
User currently offlineTWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5323 times:

Does anyone in here know when this became effective? I had my instrument ride back in mid-June and I still haven't received my permanent certificate yet. Can anyone in here tell me whether or not if I'd have a new one? Oh yeah, JHooper: my permanent for my private only took about two months or so to come in. Thanks for any help!  Smile

TW



Two A-4's, left ten o'clock level continue left turn!
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5316 times:

I think you'll get the new one; I believe it's "effective immediately". What I don't understand is that if they went to the trouble to redesign the certificate, why can't they just put a photo on it. It wouldn't be any more difficult than what the DMV goes through to put a picture on your driver's license, no more difficult than the state department putting your photo on your passport; no more difficult than the military putting your photo on your military ID, while there may be some real security benefits here. If Bank of America can put your photo on your checkcard, and my school can put a photo on my ID card, then so can the FAA.

But on the flip side of the coin, I understand that the FAA has a very tight budget, and there really are better uses for the money (such as ATC upgrades, etc)



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineTWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5308 times:

I have to agree. I don't think it would be too much of a problem to add your photo on it. All you'd need, is to bring a passport photo with you on your checkride day and it would be sent away with your temporary to the FAA HQ. It would have made cents to put a photo on your certificate if they already went through the trouble of redesigning it. Thanks for the help!

TW



Two A-4's, left ten o'clock level continue left turn!
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5251 times:

It would have made cents to put a photo on your certificate

No, it would have cost cents, but it certainly would have made sense  Big thumbs up



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineShaun3000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

If anyone's wondering, I took my instrument FAA ride in May. My new license came in the mail, today, and it was a brand-spanking-new, plastic one. It even had a letter explaining the change. The first line, something aloong the lines of, "Airman Certificates have been issued on paper since 1929." The paper is a heavy-duty paper, too, for anyone wanting to save theirs to mark when the FAA finally switched from paper to plastic.

I noticed that the outter struts of the Wright Flyer on the front and all straight lines as well as Orville and Wilbur's collars, on the back, are made of microprint, like on US paper currency. However, I oculdn't make out what they said because the background all half-toned. And the border of the FAA hologram seal says, "FAA Charting the next century of aviation"


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

Congratulations Shaun3000 for being one of the first airmen to earn the new plastic certificates. Those old school cardboard ones should be a great collector's item someday, though  Big thumbs up


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
25 Post contains images TWAMD-80 : WOOHOO Hopefully I'll get my new certificate in the mail soon, that would be great! It's too bad that when I took my instrument ride the lady that ga
26 Flyf15 : I just got one in the mail today. Pretty snazzy I must say....really should have a picture of me on it though.
27 Post contains images Aloges : Do the old ones look like this? Oh, and on a side note: Is that jet on the new licence a 732? Would be sweet, a new licence with a Jurassic Baby Boein
28 Flyf15 : Aloges, the previous ones did not look like that, they were computer printouts, but still on a thick paper. That is probably what was given previous t
29 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : Having had to replace some well worn commercial pilot certificates in my time, I am glad they are now plastic. Here is what the back and more importan
30 L-188 : At least the plastic ones are now useful. I have burned up a couple of credit cards scraping ice off the wings.
31 Gigneil : I don't understand the Roman numerals, on either the old or new. They're in no apparent order. N
32 Clipperhawaii : I believe it has to do with the way the information if filled and how the data is kept with the FAA. I. Is the agency issuing the certificate. II. Is
33 Jhooper : Why did they convert from the one shown in reply 27 to the one's they've been issuing during the past several years? I like how all the ratings are pr
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