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Are There Keys To An Airliner?  
User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 17
Posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

This is a silly question, but interesting nonetheless.

I know there aren't keys to an airliner such as there are keys to a car.. but then what kind of locks are on airliner doors, and are there any locking devices in the cockpit, such as a lock on the engine starters?

Thanks
Shawn

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User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3697 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4324 times:
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Try using the search function, this has been asked many times

User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4279 times:

doors on some only. usually no keys. piper a/c haveonly door keys. cessna singles have an ignition key. cessna jets have none whatsoever.


"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

What does it mean when they say "Boeing handed over the keys to So and so."?

User currently offlineM717 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 608 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4200 times:

"cessna jets have none whatsoever."

Not sure about any other Cessna jets, but the Citation Bravo has a single key that fits both the left and right nose baggage door, the aft baggage door, and the main entry door.

Most airliner cockpit doors these days have to comply with the new security directives, so there are no more keys. The doors are locked electronically. There are no locking devices that I know of (other than for the door) in the cockpit, such as a lock on engine starters, etc.


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

What does it mean when they say "Boeing handed over the keys to So and so."?

That's an expression, not to be taken so literally. It simply means the airline has taken delivery of the aircraft.

BTW, many older Piper light twins that I've flown (such as the Twin Comanche and Geronimo don't have an ignition key. My piper cub doesn't have an ignition key, or a key for the door either for that matter. I'm actually kinda surprised that airplane theft isn't more of a problem than it is. But then again, it's a little more difficult to hide an airplane than it is to hide a car, but it certainly can be done.

As for airliners, it would be alot more complicated to steal one and then hide it without getting caught. Of course, repo people do this all the time but they have the law on their side so it's not as big a deal as outright theft. Now the cockpit doors do have keys, but there are many in circulation and the key to one door is pretty much the key to all (of a given fleet type, etc).

It appears as though minimal thought has really been given to the notion that aircraft can be stolen. Remember the 727 in Africa last month?



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4140 times:

I think Boeing ceremonially hands over a few cockpit door/crew rest keys to the accepting official upon delivery.


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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2552 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

Any airliner I can think of does not have locks on the doors or controls. Most planes are kept in secure areas at all times - especially airliners. Even more so since 9/11, but as far back as I can remember there's always been security patrols around terminals and maintenance areas.

Of course if someone were to find a quiet corner of the airport with an airliner parked there you have to wonder - how will they get up to the doors, which are about 20 feet up? If they get there, are they familiar with door operation? or will they blow the slides getting it open? Once inside can they power up the plane without anyone noticing? And since it's probably parked nose-in to a parking spot, how will they push it back now that they're inside? If they get it started what about gear pins, pitot tube covers, engine covers etc that maintenance puts on planes when they overnight?

These sort of problems probably describe why there haven't been a glut of airliner thefts in the past.

HAL



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User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2386 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4006 times:

"I think Boeing ceremonially hands over a few cockpit door/crew rest keys to the accepting official upon delivery."
That was certainly true prior to the Phase II flightdeck doors. After signing over of the aircraft the accepting airline was given a set of flight deck door keys, ready to drive her off the lot!


User currently offlineAvioniker From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1109 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

I still have my DC-9 JATO key. Does that count?


One may educate the ignorance from the unknowing but stupid is forever. Boswell; ca: 1533
User currently offlineWestJetYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

Everyone forgot, the often most important set of keys at all, have to get on every flight. The keys to the bar kit...  Big grin

User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Cancidas,
Cessna Citations do not have "ignition keys", however Citations do have locks on the various external doors.
I just walked out on the ramp and confirmed that there are keyed locks on the nose baggage doors, tail baggage doors, cabin entry doors, single point refueling doors, and various electronic access panels in the tailcone.
I looked at the Citation CJ1, CJ2, 560XL, 750 Citation X and all three of the new Sovereigns (three aircraft) and new CJ3 (two aircraft) that are in flight testing.



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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

Sometimes when Southeast Airlines brings a volleyball team or something to our university, they park the DC-9 in a completely unsecure area of the airport with the airstairs parked right up against the aircraft with not a soul around. kinda scary really.


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Jhooper: Where exactly is that? When's the next flight scheduled? Big grin  Acting devilish

User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3804 times:

Jhooper: Where exactly is that? When's the next flight scheduled?

Question 1: I'd rather not say
Question 2: I don't know

 Big thumbs up



Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

These sort of problems probably describe why there haven't been a glut of airliner thefts in the past.

And the fact that you wouldn't get very far due to the transponder.


User currently offlineCovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

And the fact that you wouldn't get very far due to the transponder.

OFF position.



thank goodness for TCAS !
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

and there are other ways around that, but I won't get into those either......  Big grin


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

citationjet, forgot about those. sorry.


"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

This question reminds me of one of the most common ramper hazings..........

User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3485 times:
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I'm thinking of going to a Saab car dealer and getting a spare Saab key for my keyring. Then I will be able to tell new ramp agents at work that I have the key to a Saab 340B but I need an A-model key and they need to go find it for me.


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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

Acidradio, that would be pretty funny.

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