Bio15 From Colombia, joined Mar 2001, 1089 posts, RR: 7 Posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6756 times:
Hi everyone. I have wondered this for a long time now, how do pilots find their wat through the taxiway labyrinth to the exact gate where they should park? The only thing I know (from the unreliable Fsim experience ) is that the ground controllers give the pilot the taxiways to get to the gate. But do they indicate the gate number and how to get to it precisely? Thanks in advance!
There are also maps (Jeppesen produces some) that show various terminals and gate locations in greater detail, including lat/lon info. Gates are also marked with their numbers, either on the terminal building itself, the jetway, or in some places, painted on the ramp.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6628 times:
>>>Do all airlines provide their pilots with the terminal & gate maps as well?
Most, if not all, I'd say. That said, once they get familar with the airport and their airline's gate areas after a few flights, the terminal/gate diagrams are mainly used for looking up lat/lon data when needed. Sometimes, airlines change terminal wings and/or gates at an airport, and the diagrams get used more, but after the new learning curve, that tapers off.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6601 times:
>>>that's why you ask for progressive taxi instructions.
Air carrier crews are expected to have all relevant nav data/charts (including taxi charts) for use at large airports like ORD, etc. Use of progressive taxi instructions (especially if it was avoidable) would really tie-up the frequency.
Cx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6454 posts, RR: 56 Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6550 times:
Some airports are very good like Heathrow or Singapore in that they can light the taxiway lights specific to the taxi route of each aircraft. They simply tell you to "Follow the greens" and that's it. You go where the lights lead. Simple.
N6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6372 times:
I guess I'd like to expand on this a bit; how does the pilot know what gate he's going to (as opposed to how to get there)? For example when my flight lands at ATL, how does the pilot know that he's going to park at A4 or B9 etc . . .
Also, when does he know this and does ATC have this information as well and does it factor into their clearances? It seems that if we're parking on the North side, we land on the northern runways.
Cx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6454 posts, RR: 56 Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6329 times:
ATC knows well in advance which gate your plane is going to park at and will endeavour to land your aircraft nearest, or at least know the part of the terminal where that airline normally parks their planes.
From a pilot's point of view, if we have time we call the local ground services agent on the company frequency and give them an ETA, and they respond with the expected bay number. Going into some ports, we automatically get the bay number through ACARS from our company. If we have not had time to call, it's no problem, as ATC will always tell you which gate you are taxying to and include that in your taxiway instructions.
AAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3436 posts, RR: 49 Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6314 times:
...how does the pilot know what gate he's going to (as opposed to how to get there)? For example when my flight lands at ATL, how does the pilot know that he's going to park at A4 or B9 etc . . .
At AA we request "changeover" information via ACARS. Used to provide a bunch of data, but now just your arrival gate, crew connections and pax connections. If ACARS is not available, a quick radio call to the station will provide the gate. After clearing all runways, a quick radio call to the station to confirm gate availability is the norm.
...does ATC have this information as well...
Maybe yes, maybe no. It depends upon the airport & airline. i.e. AA at DFW/ORD/MIA there is no way ATC wants to know what gate I'm going to. First call to Ground Control includes your gate assignment.
...does it factor into their clearances?
Yes, but only when time, traffic and work load permits. Landed a few hours ago at LAX and even though all AA gates are on the south side, we were required to land on the north side to balance the arrival traffic flow.
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Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5657 posts, RR: 15 Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6224 times:
The actual gate assignment is done by the airlines SOC. Rarely does a controller know the actual gate assignment. Of course, One exception may be SNA, since each half of the terminal is not assigned, and its first come first serve, but even then the controllers do not know the exact assignment. The airlines operations would most likely get that from airport ops.
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AAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3436 posts, RR: 49 Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6207 times:
Gate assignments at SNA are assigned by AA SNA operations. If AA operations does not contact the airline, the gate assignment has not changed from the monthly plan --it usually does not change much. When last minute changes are necessary, AA ops will contact the individual airline(s) involved with appropriate gate change(s).
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Cx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6454 posts, RR: 56 Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6177 times:
Gate assignment by airlines seems to be something peculiar to the US. All other major international airports I have been to, the gates are assigned by the controllers, and the individual airlines have nothing to do with it.
People should specify in their replies that the US does things a certain way, otherwise people might be inclined to think the whole world is the same, and more often than not, it isn't.
Bio15 From Colombia, joined Mar 2001, 1089 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6058 times:
Funny Ual747 lol
I usually try following the airport diagrams I have while on the Flight Simulator, and when I'm at the last taxiway on the route and have no idea where the gate is, press 1 and follow the pink.
I wish the flight sim was a realistic thing. Quite honestly, I prefer getting the money someday to start my flight lessons! But for the moment, enjoy Airliners.net and drive 737's with my keyboard