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User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

I have noticed on some of my flights (both real and sim) that there are a series of red and white lights at the beginning of the runway. They change between red and white and are sometimes four in a row or two by two. This may be a very ignorant questions, but what are they and how are they used by pilots on approach?

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User currently offlineRthrbeflying86 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 243 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

There are different versions of these lights, but the most common that you have seen is probably VASI. I'm pretty sure it stands for "visual approach slope indicator". Anyway, this system involves four lights that can each be white or red. If all four are red, the approaching plane is very low. Three reds and one white indicate a low, but not terrible, approach. Two reds and two whites are ideal, and increasing whites means the approaching plane is too high.

As I said there are different versions of these lights, and the general rule of thumb is that an even number of reds and whites indicates a correct approach.

They're quite helpful in real life (especially at night), and also in flightsim.



I'd rather be flying.
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

Actually....

What you are seeing is most likely a visual approach aid.

You described two types: VASI and PAPI.

PAPI, or Precision Approach Path Indicator lights, consist of four lights. If all four are white, you are high (generally on a typical runway, on a glidepath steeper than 3.5 degrees). If you see one red and three white, you are slightly high (average around 3.2 degrees). Two red and two white indicate you are on glidepath, roughly 3 degrees for most runways. Three red and one white mean you are slightly low (around 2.8 degrees typically), and four red mean you're quite low (less than 2.5 degree glidepath.)

VASI, or Visual Approach Slope Indicator, is the other kind you described.

The "two-by-two" configuration you mentioned is called a two-bar VASI and is the most typical installation that I've seen. Bars can be either red or white. Basically, a red bar indicates that you will touch down before you reach the bar; a white bar means you will touch down past it.
If the near bar is white and the far bar is red, you are on glidepath. If both bars are white, you are above glidepath. And, if both are red, you're below glidepath.

The easiest way to remember this is: Red over white, you're all right. Red over red...well....you're dead.

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineMeister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 973 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

Rthrbeflying86: You describe a PAPI, yet call it a VASI. Only a PAPI will have the ability to have 3 and 1. VASIs are 2 and 2 or 4 and 0 only.

Oh, and to finish the word device to remember the colors..."White over White, and you'll fly all night."

-Meister



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User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2684 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

Maybe I could squeeze a plug in here. This one is a VASI:


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And this one is a PAPI:


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Nick


User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

Goboeing: Actually the VASI you have pictured is one of the 2 bar VASI systems. I've yet to see one before, more common are the 4 bar VASI systems.

There is also a VASI system for aircraft with higher cockpits that utilizes an extra bar above the 4, this is to compensate for the larger aircraft.

Although it seems that the PAPI is the preferred system nowadays at most major airports. There are also 2 and 1 light PAPI's too.

Crazy huh?

Oh yeah: Red on White "your alright", Red on Red "your dead" for the VASI  Smile


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

C172Akula,

Actually the VASI you have pictured is one of the 2 bar VASI systems. I've yet to see one before, more common are the 4 bar VASI systems.

There is also a VASI system for aircraft with higher cockpits that utilizes an extra bar above the 4, this is to compensate for the larger aircraft.


FOUR bar VASI? What are you talking about?

There are also 2 and 1 light PAPI's too.

Two light, yes....NEVER seen a 1 light PAPI. That kind of defeats the whole purpose. I think you're speaking of a Tri-Color Visual Approach Indicator...of which I have seen a grand total of one.



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User currently offlineContact_tower From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

"1 light PAPI's too."

That would be the "PLASI" - Pulse Light Approach Slope Indicator

1 light, flashing white when very high, then steady white, steady red and finaly flashing red. Used a lot here in Norway on small STOL airports. No room for PAPI along the runway in some places, and it's cheaper of course.


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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6770 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

There's the VASI, there's the PAPI... those are the standard ones.

There's the PLASI...

With VASI, it's at least 2 along track. There's the 3 along track... to allow for 747s and longer planes to use it... not sure about 4...

Then there's the T-VASI... mainly used in OZ... they use it in CGK/WIII, but bloody hell they're hard to see sometimes (I blame the haze here! the reds are easier to pick out)... They take a lot of space, but dirt easy to maintain.

Then the French invented the 3 lighted VASI... not sure what it's called... but it's just a set of 3 lights clustered together. On slope, the 3 lights go bright. Too high then I think the top one goes bright, too low and the bottom 2 go bright... Haven't seen them... perhaps it's now scrapped and they decided to use the PAPI instead. Hell, this one I saw in a 1988 BA Aerad manual...

Mandala499



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User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Yup, simple word mistake on my part. I meant 4 LIGHT VASI and the such, not 4 bar.

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