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Hey Pilots: Your Worst Nightmare  
User currently offlineS.p.a.s. From Liechtenstein, joined Mar 2001, 966 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5216 times:

Today I was wondering what is (would be) your worse case scenario concearning emergencies or abnormal ops. What emergency would really raise your hair and make your shirts wet? Have you ever met her or only during simulator checks?

Rgds

Renato


"ad astra per aspera"
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User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

Running out of airspeed, altitude, ideas and money in the same day.....or just not being able to fly at all!
Kidding  Laugh out loud

Seriously, Im only a Cessna pilot so far so probably an engine failure and an electrical failure/fire in flight. Then all I can do is glide and have nobody to talk to!




Life is better when you surf.
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5177 times:

I typically fly light singles. By far the situtation that would haunt my dreams the most would be an inflight engine fire and subsequent failure, in IFR, at night, over the mountains. But, luckily, I have enough common sense to not get myself into that kind of situation...

For the kind of flying I normally do (day VFR over the great plains), I'd say the worst situation that could happen would some kind of structural failure....I fly rental airplanes and you never know for sure that the person before you didn't exceed any airspeed or loading limitations. Hopefully there would be some sign of it...popped rivets, things bent that aren't supposed to be, etc.

Aside from that, I sure hope I never get an in-flight fire.


User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6582 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5181 times:

Getting a serious cargo fire during a dark stormy night across the ocean on an ETOPS sector and facing the prospect of having to ditch.

(I know ETOPS is irrelevant, but for me to be in the middle of the ocean it has to be ETOPS)


User currently offlinePW4084 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

Sounds like the plot of a movie Cx flyboy!

Other than something with strong external factors such as a mid-air, I'd say:
Electrical Fire. This would be especially critical night/IMC because you face the prospect of recovering the aircraft with diminished capabilities assuming you are even able to troubleshoot/isolate the source of the fire. And with the sophistication of our modern aircraft, the electrical components and wiring seems like an achilles heel.


PW4084


User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

I fly Cessna 172's right now, and my biggest fear would be unexpected and severe icing while in flight. Also, a hydraulic brake failure on landing. I learned to fly on a runway that is 2,500 feet long, with a busy road at one end and buildings on the other. Now I fly at a much larger (KYIP) airport, so its not that big of a deal.


"It starts when you're always afraid; You step out of line, the man come and take you away" -Buffalo Springfield
User currently offlineCVG777 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1251 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5112 times:

Only a C172 pilot right now, but....

IMC conditions and a spin. I have done it on a simulator, and its not fun.


User currently offlineFlykal From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

Fuselage separation would have to be one of them (think Aloha 737, Hawaii), but really, anything that means ditching in the middle of nowhere. I guess you could also add bomb explosion and any sort of terrorist activity to that list.

Or how about a big large bird making impact with my side of the windscreen at 250kts. Gives both you and the bird a heck of a scare and can do some serious damage...!

Cheers,
Phil

[Edited 2003-11-06 04:17:46]


One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time
User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

Never have nightmares with a good old 747... the whale "can take it"...
xxx
Except one thing...
Having 12 female flight attendants (including all those considered females) with PMS.
How can these oil sheiks with 3 wives and 6 concubines take it... ???
Let me check my wife's calendar... !!!
xxx
Happy contrails  Big grin
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineChdmcmanus From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 374 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5084 times:

I agree with PW4084, an electrical fire is my worst enemy. I had an Engineer instructor once tell me; there are only 4 things in an airplane that will kill you BEFORE you know what's wrong, 1) Solid objects in front of the nose, 2) Explosive decompression 3) External structure fire, IE Wing fire, NOT engine fire, and 4) electrical fire in the cabin. Of the four checklist, "Electrical Fire of Unknown Origin" is definitely the worst to run, and when you ad Kapton flashover and FADEC / FMS / EHSI / EADI's to the picture, those free electrons really turn into a problem. The Electrics sim is usually our longest and most in depth sim because of this.

Keep the paint side up and rubber side down!!
ChD



"Never trust a clean Crew Chief"
User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

Well Katanas have had the props fall off in flight before.
My worst fear in a Katana is to have the prop fall off and pull the engine out too. That way my CG would be all wack and I couldnt even glide.



Pershoyu Spravoyu Litaki!
User currently offlineSkyguy11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

No coffee at the flight club.

User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5043 times:

For me, it would be either one or both (Gasp!): A total electrical failure in the weather at night or any type of inflight fire.

Skipper...
What a horrorific nightmare. I have a wife and three daughters. There were a few days each month when I begged our dispatcher to send me out of town on a trip. Blessed be the guy who invented Midol.  Innocent

Actually though, even B747 drivers have to worry about something.

Jetguy


User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2986 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5029 times:

Geez
I thought something along the lines of an ex-wife showing up to do a Checkride.


User currently offlineSubzero From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

Right now I only fly Archer's and 172's so I would have to say engine fire. Or if the wings fall off...  Sad

User currently offlineIllini_152 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5008 times:

Fire. Or structural failure. I've already had the electrical failure not IN IMC per-say, but it was solid undercast and fog from 1500' to the surface for 200 miles all around me. If we couldn't get the alternator reset (it did, and blew 3 more times en-route) it would have been handheld radio and GPS time.

Second biggest, next to fire in flight, was when I was flying our "modified" Cub that soloed from the front. 12 gal of avgas sitting on my lap between me an the engine was not a good feeling.



Happy contrails - I support B747Skipper and Jetguy
User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1559 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

"Except one thing...
Having 12 female flight attendants (including all those considered females) with PMS."

Said Skipper which made me remember while I was flying wet lease for Khalifa Airlines of Algeria,we had 2 day layovers in desert cities.In one of those flights when we came to the dispatch office we saw that we had 5 male attendants and a technician to take pictures of engine parameters during take off.So we spend 2 days in a crappy hotel in the middle of Sahara desert with a all male crew.Now that was a real nightmare.



Widen your world
User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

Now speaking seriously, yes, in-flight fire is probably the worst nightmare.
Think about the Saudi L-1011 tragedy at the old Riyhad airport...
xxx
I once had a cabin fire warning, with a cargo aircraft...
We were carying leather shoes made in Madras, India.
It had rained, the shoes were somewhat wet.
xxx
During flight, on the way to Milano, cabin fire warning...
There was some smoke... but no flames... smelled bad.
We made an emergency landing in Larnaca, Cyprus.
It was "spontaneous combustion" phenomenon.
xxx
Footnote... These shoes made in India, get to Milano...
No markings say "made in India" on them... yet excellent shoes.
In Milano, they put insoles with the print "made in Italy"...
Now you know where your expensive Italian $hoe$ come from.
xxx
Happy contrails  Big grin
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4954 times:

Absolutely without a doubt... cabin / cargo fire at 30W...

I can deal with engine failure at 30W, or at V1... flapless landing... you name it. But a fire over the ocean, 2 hours from anywhere? That thought sends shivers down my spine.



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4926 times:

First, the serious one :

I'm just a light single pilot, so for the moment my worst nightmare would be an engine out at take-off under 800 ft AGL.

Now, the unserious one :

The best dream of any commercial pilot is to have a full crew of female F/A, each one of those finding him cute.

The worst dream of any commercial pilot is to have a full crew of male F/A, each one of those finding him cute.

707


User currently offlineGordonsmall From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2001, 2100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4911 times:

Absolutely without a doubt... cabin / cargo fire at 30W...

I can deal with engine failure at 30W, or at V1... flapless landing... you name it. But a fire over the ocean, 2 hours from anywhere? That thought sends shivers down my spine.


Well put it this way Rick - even if you survive, the powers that be at EZY might not be overly impressed that you took the 737 out to 30W for a quick spin....  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Regards,
Gordon.



Statistically, people who have had the most birthdays tend to live the longest.
User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1559 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4914 times:

My biggest fear is actually somewhat different.Yes I don't want to have a serious in flight fire or any other serious mulfunctions but most of them can be dealt with(or supposed to).There is something nowadays which is I think the most serious threat against the passenger airplanes is:TERRORISM.
Either from inside(like bombs or hijackers)or from outside with SAM's.There are examples to both kinds .At least in an emergency you can fight to the last second to save the plane until the last piece stops flying.It would be worst nightmare to explode at FL 370 fall back to earth in pieces.I remember watching on Discovery channel about a terror attack to a passenger plane( Pan-Am over Lockerbie if I remember correctly)airplanes front section kept flying for some more time while the aft plunged into the earth.I just can't imagine sitting there trying to fly your airplane with no response from your flight controls.



Widen your world
User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4925 times:

"the powers that be at EZY might not be overly impressed that you took the 737 out to 30W for a quick spin...."

A very valid point Gordon!

Maybe I'll head out to 30W on the way to MAD this afternoon! Passengers might not be too impressed... and the CAA probably wouldn't be too chuffed!



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4843 times:

The worst thing that I can think of in the little planes I fly is structural failure. 3 of the 5 aerobatic planes I flew a few weeks ago (Avions Mudry Cap-10B) are currently grounded because cracks were found in the wooden spars. I'm not so sure that these aircraft were originally designed to a) takeoff and land on a hard surface runway in up to 10 kt crosswinds which put a large side-load on the landing gear b) pull 10Gs "accidentally" in the aerobatics practice box and be "inspected" by the maintenance people who probably figure if their lunchbox can sit on the wing while they're on break and nothing happens, everything's okay. Maybe the next time I have to fly one of the Crap-10s we'll just do some touch and gos!

Nick


User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6582 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

GoBoeing,

I have also flown a CAP10, and one of the two we had at our school developed cracks. Eventually they replaced the wing at huge cost, rerigged everything and it flew great.


25 Goboeing : Cxflyboy, The one newer Cap that has metal spars is flying. I'm not sure about the one that's flying with wooden spars; maybe they didn't find any cra
26 C172Akula : I'd have to say my worst fear would be instructing in the 172 and realizing that the Taco Bell I had for lunch wants out! Talk about a case of........
27 Accidentally : Loss of flight controls.
28 Ben : Someone catching me while doing an MHC-Ops maneuver. Scary.. for them aswell as me.
29 Saintsman : No ones mentioned the dreaded microburst. Can you imagine being caught up in that?
30 Post contains images S.p.a.s. : @PW4084 Sounds like the plot of a movie Cx flyboy! Actually I'm trying to launch myself on the script writing business and was out of ideas @Skipper..
31 Mandala499 : Flying on a 30 year old Cessna402 with 3rd world maintenance standard is partly a nightmare in itself... My ultimate nightmare is a mid-air prop disin
32 Jetguy : Mandala499... I'll ask the obvious question - why do you ride on such a poorly maintained airplane? Jetguy
33 Mr.BA : Mandala499 How are you it's been sometime! I've always wanted to ask what Jetguy had just asked too... not quite safe to fly on those airplanes isn't
34 Post contains images Jetguy : I've had a few days to think about it. Actually my worst fear would be a TAILSTRIKE ! ! ! (Just kidding)
35 Post contains images Flyf15 : Ward....
36 Danielbk : In smaller planes I work on: (i.e. warriors, archers etc.) Something being caught on one of the control cables..
37 Kilavoud : Footnote... These shoes made in India, get to Milano... No markings say "made in India" on them... yet excellent shoes. In Milano, they put insoles wi
38 Post contains images Mandala499 : Jetguys&Mr.BA... There's one simple answer... "Welcome to Indonesia" The well maintained ones cost the same as a 732 on an ACMI lease per hour! This c
39 Pilotpip : My flight school has a training area that's littered with everything from students working on their private maneuvers to twins blasting around. My big
40 Post contains images Liamksa : Selamat malam Mandala499, Apa kabar? Saya belajar sedikit bahasa Indonesia di sekolah. Saya harap menjadi penerbangan pada masa depan. That's about al
41 Post contains images Mandala499 : Rob... Not a bad try ! Keep the lingo and the dream up Mandala499
42 Dragogoalie : Hmm...pretty much as was said before, midair, any kind of fire. I still only fly warriors, but also at a busy flight school, so there are always plane
43 Post contains images Pilotpip : What's worse is doing that 250nm cross country and getting about half way and realizing that that big lunch you had wasn't the best idea. No powerade
44 Post contains images Fly727 : Either flying the small metal or the big ones... fire and structural failure are my main concerns. RM
45 Sovietjet : Spas your idea is already taken. Remember the movie "Cast Away"? That's exactly what Cx_flyboy is afraid of.
46 Pilotpip : In all seriousness, that crash scene in "Castaway" made me physically ill. It looked a little too realistic for my tastes.
47 L-188 : Not I pilot but I can take a guess..... Getting a call from me at 2 in the morning, to tell you that you have to fly to Adak, Alaska........and wheels
48 PW4084 : L-188, here's the icing on yr 'Adak run' cake: You show up and look at the weather and then know you'll be flying the localizer with a 30 knot tailwin
49 L-188 : And add this phrase to it too. "You are meeting the Coasties."
50 Post contains images Mandala499 : "Castaway" and "Alive" are two films that haunt me... I fly in remote areas and sometimes into remote and hostile terrain... My sister in law had a li
51 Ben : How about this one: Slagging off an Air Traffic Controller (or speculating on the size of her breasts) with a stuck PTT switch?? Oh no... the trauma.
52 Post contains images Mandala499 : Ben, Now my friend who's an ATCO in UK said it happened to her a few times! Mandala499
53 Victor Hotel : I currently only fly light a/c but probably the one thing I fear most is an in-flight electrical fire without and extinguisher, followed by an midair
54 BMAbound : Not intended as a joke, but not passing my medical for some reason would be just plain nasty... I still have much flying to do! =) Anyways, as far as
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