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Afterburners On A Citation?  
User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

A friend told me that there is a version of a Citation X with afterburners. I really have not found pictures for it anywhere or if it exists. Supposedly the burners are for just above Mach cruise (i do not know how with that shape) and climbing out of the airfield fast enough so that it may not be as noisy or something.

Personally I am pretty close to not believing him outright, his bias is that he loves the Citation X, he might believe anything...

>> to my friend: I'm not harping on you, I just need to believe in it; that shape is not best for that speed, I can't just buy into it so easily.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

Ok.....

This sounds less believable to my plan to stick T-38 motors on a Lear 25.

They have the same basic powerplant, just added burners.

I dont' think there is a developed burner for the Allisons.



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User currently offlineGrandTheftAero From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 254 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Lehpron:

I think you're right about the shape. According to Cessna's website the airspeed limit for the Citation X is Mach 0.92. Even if you did put afterburners on it (which would be cool as hell, BTW) you'd probably fly it to pieces before you reached Mach 1.

--Shane

P.S. While working at VNY, I sometimes saw the exhaust of a Lear 25 glow at night as it if was afterburning (complete with shock diamonds, too!). Could something similar on the Citation X be the cause of the afterburner speculation?


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

I seriously doubt that there's a Citation X out there with afterbuners. Since the intakes on the X are not designed for supersonic flight it would make little sense to have burners on them.

User currently offlineAaron atp From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 533 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

those old lears will put out 20ft blue flames when the fuel comes on at startup, too.

It has scared the fsck out of me on multiple occasions

aaron


User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

I remember see a drawing of a Citation with flames shooting out the back of each engine a la supersonic fighter. It was meant as a joke. Perhaps this is what your friend saw and took it literally.




User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

AAAAh, NO....... There is no model of the Allison/Rolls Royce AE3007 that offers afterburner.


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1643 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

They aren't afterburners; they are rocket engines. This is the suborbital version of the Citation X; the fully orbital version will have two XLR-99 engines.

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2256 times:

Does anyone have a picture of the 20 ft. Blue Flames lear?

User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

There is a Citation model that is known as a "Munson Burner"...but that's a whole other story....

 Smile

After burner? NFL. (not friggen likely)




User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Haven't see 20 feet, seen 10 foot blue flames.

Also say that one time on the center engine of a Falcon 50.



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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3146 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Go out to an airport when it's about 20 degrees or less outside and you might just see an old 20 series lear spitting that flame during the day. Emb-145s also can also shoot a nice little flame out of the APU, some of Trans States' planes do it on a regular basis



DMI
User currently offlineJet-a gasguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 266 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

I just took an island hop in a Citation X from HNL to KOA, and on takeoff, it sure as hell felt like there were afterburners! I guess since I was the only passenger, we were pretty light. I swear we reached VR in less than 15 seconds and were rocketing up like an F-16. Before takeoff, I asked the Captain what she was capable of and DAMN! Did he show me!

Nothing like cruising island to island at 13,000 ft and at 500 mph.

Definitely, my favorite in bizjet.

Jet-A Gasguy
 Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

" swear we reached VR in less than 15 seconds"

LOL, that's not really that fast for a little jet. But I can imagine it felt like a rocket! I wanna fly in a citation X! Big grin


FSP


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