Mr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 8 Posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4279 times:
OK, we all know that pilots of all breeds need to do simulator training. It's better to crash & burn while training in a SIM than the obvious option.
But, what about Air Traffic Controllers?
I'm very curious about the training that ATC controllers need to go through before & after they're in a facility or tower. It must be different all over this planet of ours.
For example ....... Do arrival controllers have to practice how to handle a simulated situation such as where they have 3 Boeing 737's wanting to land on the same runway, but, there's a Cessna 172 Skyhawk that's causing them to slow down so much that all the jets have to pass through the the final approach path and circle in order to keep proper spacing?
Do Control Tower controllers need to practice how to handle situations such as ...... An A310 is on very short final and a 747 who has been instructed to hold short of the runway continues past the hold short line and out onto the active?
There's a ton of scenerios that we can go through. I'm just curious about the the world of our dear friends ..... the ATC controllers.
NORDO From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4204 times:
All the scenarios you listed are covered in our training.
We have our version of a "ground school", then one to three years of OJT before we are certified. It depends on what facility you are assigned to.
Finally, we have "simulators" to hone our skills.
ZID From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 294 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4156 times:
It's interesting that I came across this thread today since I just did my yearly refresher training today. Once a year we have to go back to the DYSIM (Don't ask me what the D and Y stand for - it's set up just like a regular sector with other controllers at a separate scope playing the role of the pilots), and we train for those things that we don't ordinarily see, such as different types of emergencies with different types of aircraft, hijacks, lost aircraft, VFR aircraft with non-IFR trained pilots encountering IFR conditions, and so on. We also refresh ourselves on the many varied aspects of each of the airports (unique approach and departure procedures, etc...) in our area of specialization.
N1641 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4109 times:
in tech school one of the scenarios had a truck roll across the runways without permission, none of the students noticed and it would always get hit by the plane. that was pretty much all we had, the instructors would yell out min. fuel or emergency fuel on occasion but I dont think we had much else, our tower just got a sim and you can program in anything you want but most of the scenarios pretty much just work on spacing and sequencing.
PER744 From Australia, joined Mar 2003, 405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4046 times:
Airservices Australia have 11 months training followed by 6-8 months on-the-job training.
In the day of testing before the interview stage most of the afternoon is spent on a basic simulation on a PC. This usually involves airspace with a couple of airports (which requires landings to go in a certain direction), 4 exit points from the airspace, 4 flight levels and 3 aircraft speeds. It's quite a challenge when you have about 12 planes in a small screen that you're trying to manage. Thankfully I passed that section very easily.
Can't say what the actual training involves yet as I missed out at the interview stage last year, but I'm halfway through the selection process again so hopefully as of July I'll be able to let you know what it's like.
Mr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3914 times:
Thank You, very much for your replies & excellent information.
To be in a 360 degrees ATC Tower simulator as described by our friend FlightSimFreak must be amazing! That's something I'd love to see.
All the different training techniques & scenarios that you guys mentioned are great to learn about.
I listen to Toronto's ATC every day. It makes me feel really good inside when I hear professionals (pilots & controllers) working together & helping each other out. To me, it really is a sweet dance. I "LOVE" radio work. I'm very good at it. I've never pissed off a controller ....yet.
I hope that when you guys are training in the SIM that you also get a chance to have some fun. As in arranging some funny traffic conflicts, etc. (is that possible?)
This isn't a topic that's talked about that often. I LOVE learning about the inner workings of an airliner, but, it's also very nice to hear about the world of the people on the other end of the radio. Pure Respect!
PPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3861 times:
My friend finished the ATC program he said that when he was the pilot end of it he had alot of fun. Simulating the "Riddle pilot" as he liked to call it. When told to turn to say 350, he would do it the long way around And overall make the other students job a pain.
But he said that the entire time that he was at the position he was being graded so he had to manage the traffic quickly and accurately.
If you want a tour of the 180 degree tower, and the TRACON lab, Riddle opens it up several times a year (along with all of their other labs).