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Cessna 182s To Get Glass Cockpit  
User currently offlinePSAjet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 342 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Article in the January 2004 Plane and Pilot Magazine on the new Garmin G1000 flat screen monitors and a story stating that Cessna will offer the 182 with the G1000. The pictures in the article are great. It looks so strange to see a 182 cockpit with just the PFD and MFD screens on the dashboard.

Flying Magazine also has an article on the new G1000 and some of the other planes that are using or will use it.

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User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

That's great, but who can afford it?

'Speed


User currently offlineJetguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

As the technology filters down to the "masses" it will drop in price. I'm glad to see it finally coming to the "little guys" - I've been flying glass cockpits for many years now and it's definitely a major improvement.


User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Hmm... ['Speed wonders to himself what it might be like to instruct in a glass cockpit 172...] When the masses can afford it, I hope it will mean improved safety for General Aviation. Come to think of it, it couldn't hurt anything.

'Speed


User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

There is a reason the Cessna is such a popular trainer aircraft. The best thing I liked about the Cessna series was its simplicity. Very basic instruments to give you a seat of the pants feeling.

If I want avionics and stuff might as well go for a higher end aircraft.

-Roy


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29836 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3952 times:

Flat plate technology has it's drawbacks.

Frontier Flying Serice got rid of their 1900D a few years back because the glass in it's cockpit just didn't function well in -40 ramp conditions.

They still run around with the mechanical intrumented 1900C's.



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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Well its very popular apparently as Cessna has sold out of the glass 182's according to the article...this is a glimpse into the future of GA...

Greg



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

"Glass cockpits" are already (at least optionally) available for some competitive planes such as Cirrus' SR20/22, Lancair's 300/350 and 400 or - closer to a 182's price tag, I think - Diamond's DA-40.
They are replacing electromechanical "round dials" quite quickly, I assume and they are pretty, no doubt. But do they really improve situation awareness this much to justify another $20.000 or even $40.000?



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

One has to wonder if Cessna has lost some sales to aircraft like the Cirrus. Maybe this is one reason for the glass cockpit.

User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4229 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3783 times:

Now let's see if New Piper can keep up....


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User currently offlineBacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

actually, since the new dispalys get rid of lots of instruments. The new G1000 displays are actually a fairly cheap upgrade when buying a new 182.

User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

Here is a picture if anyone is interested:



I rememebr reading that there would not be a price increase for this panel over the Nav II panel. Introductory offer maybe?


User currently offline5T6 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Wow! Sure is a lot different than the 152 I'm currently training in! But I guess I'd better get taught with the "old" instrumentation before I worry about going to "glass". Still just a rookie........

Mike



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

I see that they have a "steam gauge" artificial horizon as a backup.

User currently offlineLearpilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3716 times:

That's just what we need. A bunch of people flying around at low altitudes with their heads inside of the cockpit instead of outside looking for other airplanes.  Insane


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User currently offlineAndrewAir From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

Looks great, hope they put it in the 172. It reminds me of the Cirrus SR-22.




AMc


User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

I'm not all that impressed. For the most part, these displays present more information than the typical recreational or private pilot needs. New generation glass displays are very compreshensive and require some getting used to if you are used to the single function units.

Simple tasks like changing frequencies are over-complicated due to the integration. In the old days, you twisted some knobs until the big numbers matched the frequency you wanted. Now you have to memorize embedded menus and VCR-like set-ups.

Much of the data is often quite small and older pilots have a hard time with some of the glass displays.

Full features like TAWS, TCAS and moving maps take the fun out of recreational flying in my opinion. What non-commercial pilot would prefer to bury his head in the instrument panel than fly VFR with a few simple flight instruments?

And....what about maintenance? Much of this new-age stuff can't be repaired in the field. So unless you can afford to stock spares you better be prepared to wait a while occasionally. Not because you may be missing a single component....but these highly integrated systems have single components that make the entire avionics suite inoperative.

I hope this leap in technology doesn't discourage avionics manfacturers from supporting their older simpler lines....



User currently offlineQ330 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1460 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

I suppose there is something to be said for having traditional cockpits for learning to fly, but honestly I believe that GA glass cockpits are destined to become widespread anyway.
As for the price, yes it's high now, but surely it will drop drastically within a few years like all new technologies.

-Q



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29836 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

I still want to see if they work after sitting on the Fairbanks International Airport tarmac at -20C all night.


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User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

L-188,

Hell...here in Winnipeg we've already had -30 this winter!

 Smile

There will most certainly be a pre-heat requirment prior to launching but that's tyical of GA avionics. They normally have a min operating temperature of not less than -20C.

I'm waiting to hear about the first display that was cracked or melted when someone fires up a "herman" and points it at the panel!

One thing that your geographical location reminded me of was just how narrow-minded some of the avioncs manufacturers are these days with respect to northern operations.

Many of the packages (including the current Garmin suite) have integrated attitude, heading, and atttitude sensors that can't be deslaved. This precludes operation in Northern Domestic Airspace unless you add a good old steam driven DG to the panel.

Still others fail to provide cold temperture ground clearance correction to VNAV and TAWS functions. So there can be errors of the magnitude of over a thousand feet at cold temperatures without the pilot knowing it!

And like you mentioned, much of th GA stuff coming out has a min operating temperature that limits the installation of even normally remote mounted boxes to temperature and pressure controlled locations!

They should design avionics in the Arctic...not the tropics.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29836 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (10 years 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

I hear you Airplay.

There are places on the north side of the Brooks Range, where you can not get a signal from more then one GPS satellite.



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User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3465 times:

The only way this pays off is if it lightens the 182 enough to get a decent cruise speed out of the deal.

User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

Garmin claims it's less expensive than the vacuum driven instruments it replaces. While it does take the fun out of VFR flying, I really like the situational awareness that I get with the Garmin 430s in our Seminoles and think that the new technology will take that a step further. Besides, when I'm flying VFR, I'm looking outside. There was an article just after the one about the G1000 regarding the transition to glass. The author had trouble flying with the cirrus system and he had quite a bit of time in a Lear 45.

LMP, many jets with EFIS systems have back up gauges for redundancy.

L-188, the Garmin 430s have a lengthy warmup time at -5C. That being said, I also think that anybody dropping $300k or more on a plane will be able to afford a hangar.



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