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Entry Requirements For initial flying job in UPS or FEDEX?  
User currently offlineTarzanboy From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 132 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 19107 times:

hi...

what are the entry requirements for an initial flying job in UPS or FEDEX??

lets say, flying as a flight engineer....

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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4200 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 19083 times:

These days: Alot of hours (5-7000, several thousand turbine PIC)....previous experience as a captain in an airline or military experiece... and knowing someone there.


Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 19083 times:

For FedEx:

Current requirements:

Commercial Pilot Certificate with Multi-engine and Instrument rating (without limitations)

Current ATP Certificate or written

Current FE Turbojet Rating or written (FEX or Basic/turbojet)

Must pass FAA mandated drug screen

Recency and type of experience is considered

Meet requirements for and currently hold First Class Medical certification

Bachelor's Degree or equivalent from an accredited college or university

Eligibility for rapid visa issuance, issued by offices in the United States to fly to any FedEx destination.

Ability to obtain clearance from United States Postal Service for handling or access to U.S. mail, which includes FBI fingerprint check, and candidate must have resided in the United States for the last five consecutive years (except for U.S. military assignments)

Eligibility for issuance of US Security Clearance

1500 hours total fixed-wing time as pilot-in command (PIC) or first officer (SIC) including a minimum 1000 hours PIC in fixed-wing jet, fixed wing multi-engine turbo-prop, or multi-engine recip over 20,000 LBGW or combination thereof.
Note: PIC for this purpose is defined as Captain/Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls.
Note: FedEx considers only pilot time in fixed wing aircraft toward minimum qualifications. This does not include simulator, helicopter, flight engineer, bombardier, navigator, RIO, EWO, WSO, NFO, or Special Crew.

All certificates and ratings required to be U.S.A. FAA issued


User currently offlineSlamclick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 19006 times:

It should also be said: They have to be hiring at the time. The hiring of new pilot classes here in the US is not a continuous thing. FedEx and UPS seem to be very much like the "major" airlines in their hiring standards.

Also the flying time requirements above are the minimum to be considered. Being competetive may require even larger numbers. Flight engineer may be the entry-level job but it is not a destination. I may be wrong but I don't think they hire professional (non-pilot) flight engineers anymore.





Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 18974 times:

To add to this, a vast majority of the FEs I've seen lately that fly for a big carrier look to be over the FAA mandated 60 years of age. Many pilots revert to flying sideways when they hit that age because engineers are not affected by it(higer age maybe?). I would too if I had a choice between flying and not flying.


DMI
User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 18955 times:

I thought FedEx only hired ex Air Force and Navy pilots? Can someone clarify? Thanks.


"It starts when you're always afraid; You step out of line, the man come and take you away" -Buffalo Springfield
User currently offlineSlamclick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 18854 times:

KYIPpilot

Absolutely not true. Common misconception. Many people think that all airlines hire only, or hire 90% former military. Just not true in the last ten to fifteen years.

In the first place, in recent years there has been no great pool of ex-military pilots to draw from. Some time in the 1990's the military "right-sized" and let go a great number of their pilots. Pilot training in the military is way down, especially compared with the Vietnam era. Active duty committment following pilot training is longer than ever and so there are just not great numbers of them available.

On the other hand, around the 1980's airlines stopped hiring only 29-year-old clones and began hiring pilots as old as 50 or even more. Age commensurate with experience of course.

Factor in the explosion of commuter airlines, corporate jets, and freight dog feeders and there was a sizable pool of pilots with good numbers in civil aviation. They outnumber ex-military in just about every new-hire class now.

Military pilots enjoyed a hiring advantage only because they were all college grads and had good training and experience. They knew how to study and how to wear a necktie.

If you meet the criteria, go ahead and apply.




Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineNightFlyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 95 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 18820 times:

My new-hire class at FedEx consisted mainly of ex-military pilots but there where five us civilian pukes out of 25 total in the class. The key to getting hired is first of all having the minimum qualifications and second having an internal recommendation. I've known a few guys that didn't have a letter of rec but that's certainly not the norm around here. I hope that helps. Take care.

NightFlyer


User currently offlineBa299 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18746 times:

I don't see the reason for the Bachelor's Degree to be hired as a pilot  Insane fortunately in UK it isn't so important.

User currently offlineSlamclick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18735 times:

Ba299

That has been debated here in the USA also. At one time when NW was actively recruiting pilots the 4-year degree was listed twice among the required qualifications. Wish I'd kept that ad. Here in the US there are several arguments in favor of pilots having a four-year degree. The first two are no longer necessarily true.

  • Knows how to study to high standards. (Except that college students now commonly hire people to write their papers for them. So common as to be a cottage industry.)

  • Has some sophistication. (If beer and video games are sophisticated.) Will represent the company to the passengers - should be articulate and presentable.

  • Going to be paid a high salary usually only seen by college grads.


  • Human resources (personnel office) has large influence in who gets hired. They know the pilots they hire are going to make more money than they are. They will often be sticklers for pilots being educated commensurate with the salaries offered, disregarding the practical education that many of you have gained in your flying career.

    Pilot management also normally comes from the ranks of pilots. To move into that, one should have some education.

    The truth is, during my working life, there has almost always been a surplus of pilots and if you have two thousand applicants for twenty openings you need some means of weeding out. Bachelor's degree served well for that.




    Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
    User currently offlineBa299 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 173 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 18681 times:

    Slamclick,
    I'm agree with you that can be good to reduce the number of applicants.
    they are articulate and presentable me to but I have not a Bachelor's Degree


    User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
    Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 18672 times:

    I though of going the route mechanic-flight engineer-pilot because I haven´t got the money to do an ab-initio ATPL course.
    I got myself the F/E training books, not difficult BTW, and started studying. Problem for me is as a non-american I need a letter from an American company to state that I´m required to get the FAA F/E licence. UPS for example (the American airline I´m most familar with from working their planes) doesn´t hire PFEs anymore. F/E positions are either young pilots, getting experience before moving to C/P or retired captains still working as F/Es for another 5 years.
    This is also bad for maintenance because they often don´t know more about the systems than what button to press at what time. I met some old-time F/Es who would start troubleshooting during flight and could give the mechanics a detailed description of the problem, much better for us to work on than just "xyz system inop"

    Jan


    User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
    Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 18636 times:

    The days of PFE's are fast dying away. You would be very very lucky to be hired by any airline now a days with just an FE ticket in your pocket with the large number of laid off pilots still out looking for jobs.


    "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
    User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
    Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18597 times:

    Sure there are plenty of laid off pilots around... but I´ll I know aircraft systems better than any of them...

    Jan


    User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
    Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 18568 times:

    My last post was of course meant as a joke!

    Jan


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