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Containerized 757s?  
User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Not talking about upper-deck igloo-configured 57s.... but more along the lines of any configured with the lower-deck LD3-45s, something like what is offered on A320s?

I used to work at Canadi>n a long while ago, which had containerized A320s with LD3-45s, and just wondering if the 757 was offered with this option as well....


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User currently offlineNecigrad From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

I doubt it. The 757 doors aren't set up for it. If you look at the A320 series doors, you'll see that the door assembly opens so the mechanisms are flush with the ceiling. The 757 does not do this.

User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1962 times:

It's been a while since I've opened an 757 door, but I recall both opening outward in a similar fashion. I remember the 57 pit being slightly higher than the 320, but that might be my memory failing me  Smile


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User currently offlineB727-200 From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1051 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1942 times:


I don't believe that the belly of the B757 can be containerised. The B757 fuselage cross section is the same as the B737, which leaves little room to economically install a container/pallet system.

B727-200.


User currently offlineNecigrad From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

No, the cargo bins on a 75 are worlds larger. Wider and taller. But the hinges of the door would be in the way. THey don't open flush with the ceiling.

User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

Its been along time since I turn wrenches for DAL, but I believe the forward pit had a motorized baggage system. There were nesting modules. When the pit was empty, and I believe it was the aft end of the fwd pit, The modules were all up by the threshold, when the 1st module was filled you hit a button and moved it aft exposing the second module, and so on until the area was full.

Any DAL bag smashers or mechs out there?


User currently offline744rules From Belgium, joined Mar 2002, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Don't know about DAL, but BA has a similar system (holds 2 and 3). The purpose was to have the hold filled volume wise, so the load couldn't shift. After a while they found the was a safety problem. Nowadays, the "sleds" have to be fully extended before takeoff. The reason was that the fire-extinuishers are of no or limited use if the sleds are not fully extended.



User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1677 times:
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Boeing did offer the B757 with a cargo container option - no airline ever took it up. The containerised option had 7 LD-W containers in the fwd hold, and 6 LD-W containers in the rear hold.

I'm lead to believe that Northwest almost did take this option on their 757s to ensure speedy turnarounds, but backed out at a late stage due to technical concerns.

I know Boeing also offered containerised cargo holds on the B727-200. Not the -100 though, since their cargo doors open inwards like the B737. I've seen photos of TWA B727-200s having containers loaded, and this photo of an Eastern B727 from 1977 shows they also used the system. Take a look at the enlarged version...

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I'm off to see if I can find some more examples...
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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1677 times:
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Found a couple of TWA B727 container-loading photos...

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Seems American Airlines also did it, although the only photo showing it wasn't very clear. Still, it at least shows Airbus weren't the first to containerise the belly holds of a narrowbody...

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User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1523 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

I wish UA's 727 had that. All of our 727-200 had nesting systems up front. Our 757 and 320's have them upfront and in the rear.

User currently offlineFinnair MD-11 From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 158 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1615 times:

In my opinnion the A320 hold is a bit higher than in 757 and also the doors on A320 are wider. Finnair has on its 757s a moving "mat" in the compartment 3. The bags are loaded over the mat and when the row is full the mat is being moved a little bit forward with a control panel in the hold. I like this system, because the comp. 3 is so long and it takes time load the plane. With this system you can wait for the bags at the aft door and load them from the door. It would have been easier to load/unload a 757 with LD3s, but I'm satisfied with this system.

Finnair MD-11



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User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

the magic carpet on the 757 is all fine and danty till the thing breaks down.. im curious how Northwest Continental and Icelandair have been with the -300 i would hate to have to load one of those let alone have to pull a bag off

User currently offlineFinnair MD-11 From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 158 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

Wilcharl,

I saw this document serie from BBC called "Airport". It's about LHR and they one showed the unloading of Icelandair's 757-300. I didn't notice any moving mat in the hold, but I did notice that the hold 3 was full of backage and cargo. Thumbs up to those guys who load and unload the 757-300 without any moving map!  Big thumbs up

Finnair MD-11



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User currently offlineB727-200 From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1051 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1564 times:


Air2gxs,

Are you refering to the telescopic bin system? I did not realise anyone used these on Boeing narrow's.

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As for the sliding carpet - great idea until it stops working. Being hi-friction means picking up and moving bags as opposed to sliding them on the floor of a standard bulk-load hold.

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Finnair MD-11,

Your "opinion" on the A320 hold size is correct. The hold on the Airbus narrow's is 120mm higher, and 140mm wider at the base than the Boeing narrows. However, the Airbus narrow's have flat side walls which reduce the width at the hold ceiling by 420mm compared to Boeing. Whether this is actually usable space in the Boeing hold is another story....


B727-200.


User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1523 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

Are you refering to the telescopic bin system? I did not realise anyone used these on Boeing narrow's.

UA has them on all their 757's and A320's. All of our 727-222's had them also. Its great, you never have to leave the door area. I rather work a bulked out 757 over a 737-300 anyday. It less work with the 757.


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