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Etops 207. Only available on a flight-by-flight basis?  
User currently offlineBa299 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 173 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

I have read that the 207 etops limit is only available on a flight-by-flight basis.
What it means? Here in the UK if I we are 180 etops we can fly 180 minutes always without any restriction. During the briefing the dispatcher tell us witch limit he have used for the flight preparation but I never heard a flight-by-flight base.

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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

The Americans use a flight-by-flight basis for 180 ETOPS as well, they can't use it across the Atlantic because they don't need it....  Nuts

They can only exercise the 180 ETOPS privileges on trans-pacific routes.

Bit of a crazy philosophy I know, as here in the UK if our aircraft is 180 ETOPS we can use that on any route.



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineBa299 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

Yes I know but my question are: when they can switch to 207 minutes? There's some rules?

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

Thusfar, ETOPS207 has only been granted to 777 operators, and only across the northern Pacific... where it was instituted after AA flew N777AN ORD-HKG-DFW to test for both it, as well as a plethora of other details concerning the transpolar routes.

ETOPS180 can now be done on the southern Pacific (which is what allowed UA to op LAX-AA), New Zealand">AKL as a 772ER before they killed it).



User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

I'm just curious to know....ETOPS is a calculated risk (albeit small). Does anyone know what the predicted likelihood is of when an aircraft operating on ETOPS will eventually experience total power loss?

(Three hours is a long time to be over the ocean in a 250+ passenger jet with one engine turning)



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

ETOPS is a calculated risk (albeit small)

Just for the sake of candor, longhaul flying outside of ETOPS is very much a calculated risk in and of itself....

...particularly considering the lack of equivalent fire suppression.


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3616 times:

...particularly considering the lack of equivalent fire suppression.

Well, at least the ocean has lots of water!  Wink/being sarcastic  Wink/being sarcastic



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