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Differences In Local ATC Positions  
User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

Do local controllers at airports change positions occasionally? Are they cross trained so they might work APP/DEP one day, Ground Control the next and Clearance Delivery the third for example? Or do controllers train initially for one specific position and stay there? I found several previous threads concerning controllers but I could not find one with this topic. Thank you.


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User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2725 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

In small towers, like Class D for example, they only work at the tower position. In a slightly larger operation, such as a Class C airport, at least one that I know of rotates positions. One shift might be clearance delivery, then approach, then ground, then departure, then tower, etc. At the extremely large level, like a Class B TRACON or a high altitude center I would imagine that they only work that particular duty.

Nick


User currently offlineSocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

Controllers here in southern CA do not do Radar. However, We do switch positions from Local to ground, to Clearance, to Cab assist, back to ground ect...We do not spend too much time on one position. Towers that have an up-stairs and down stairs (tower and radar in one) IM not sure, I've never worked in that kind of place. I would imagine they would since the longest you can spend on one position is 2 hours.

So in response to your post, yes we are all checked out on all positions in the tower, and we do switch off throughout the day.


User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2819 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

I know for Bay Area class B, C airports like SFO, OAK and SJC, the NorCal TRACON is located somewhere near Sacramento. Therefore, these controllers don't have the opportunity to work DEP/APP.

User currently offlineSocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

That's correct. Same as Southern California where all approaches/DEP's are done in San Diego at Socal TRACON. Seems to work much better.

User currently offlineFlightSimFreak From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

In the case of a tower with the Tracon building below, they switch. My old home airport, Tri-cities international (KPSC), you would often here controllers switch.

User currently offlineBMAbound From Sweden, joined Nov 2003, 660 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

The guy at FCA is both twr and gnd. Fun when he tells you to switch to gnd only to keep talking to you on that freq...  Big grin

No, as you figured, not a very busy airport, but I bet there's two of them there at times and someone for clearance del. and so on.

johan



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User currently offlineSocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

You are supposed to have a tower and ground controller at all times, however it gets very slow sometimes and one controller will end up working Ground/Tower. IM not sure what the rules are for contract towers, but this is actually a no-no at some FAA towers and you can get in big trouble.

User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2725 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

You are supposed to have a tower and ground controller at all times, however it gets very slow sometimes and one controller will end up working Ground/Tower. IM not sure what the rules are for contract towers, but this is actually a no-no at some FAA towers and you can get in big trouble.


I'm sure this must be allowed at contract towers because the one where I fly at is always down to one person in the non-busy times and ground and tower are combined. I don't see what the problem is at 9PM for example, when there's only likely to be one plane in the pattern at the most and there's not a whole lot of inbound or outbound traffic either.

Nick


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

At ABQ, Controllers rotate between Tower, Ground, and Clearance Delivery. I'm not too sure about App/Dep. Late nights, there is one (maybe two) in the Tower handling it all: App/Dep, Tower, Ground, Clearance Delivery. On a night flight (about 10:30/11:00 p.m.) from Socorro (ONM) to Double Eagle II (AEG) my instructor and I were handed off Center to ABQ Approach but given the Tower Freq. A few seconds of monitoring the freq and we knew why. That guy sounded like an auctioneer!

User currently offlineSocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

Goboeing,

I have also flown at a airport where one controller is working, It has been as early as 5PM and the local/ground is combined as one. I think contract towers are less strict about having a one person tower. Ill find out forsure.


User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (10 years 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Socal... you don't happen to work LAX TWR/GND do you?


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User currently offlineSocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 11 months 7 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

No.. However I have friends that do work there. I work at another airport in So.California.

User currently offlineATM From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Maybe I can answer the question since I manage a contract tower.

When it' slow ground control and local control (tower) will generally be combined. If it unexpectedly gets busy we will open ground control (split the positions.) During historically busy times, such as on the weekends, both ground an local will be open before traffic increases.

Rotation between positions will generally be every two hours.

Hope that helps.


User currently offlineBaw2198 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 637 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2554 times:


Generally we work with ground and local (tower) staffed. We rotate through the positions when somebody gets close to 2 hrs. on. So you might start the day on ground-break-local-break-radar-break and then maybe back on ground. Also the rotation depends on staffing and training needs.

Generally though, ground and local being worked separatly.


Cheers,
Baw2198



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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

This may have already been answered, but what the heck, I'll ask it anyway. 8 hour shifts, 10 hour shifts or 12 hours shifts? Does it make a difference if it is a contract tower or do the standards for duty time cover all towers and tracons? What about ARTCCs?


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User currently offlineBaw2198 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 637 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

As far as the FAA goes, 8 hr shifts. You can go up to 10 hrs. in one day. No more than 6 days a week. Normally if you work up to 10 hrs/day its either OT or credit time after 8hrs.

Baw2198



"And remember, Keep your stick on the ice"--->Red Green
User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

In the airport I flew out of in SoCal (KFUL), I used to hear this alot: "Cessna XXXX, contact me on ground..." or vice versa.




FSP


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