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Ground Crew Cart - What's It Used For?  
User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

Hi guys.

I've seen several photos of ramp crew workers who are standing near the nose of an airliner while holding onto a red/orange 3 wheel cart that looks like it's got a bottle/tank of some sort on it .... or nothing at all.

What's this cart used for?


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8764 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

It must be a jack, hydraulic one if the airport authority is gaining money.

Saves money when you don't need a supertug!



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User currently offlineBio15 From Colombia, joined Mar 2001, 1089 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

I don't think it is a jack, looks unreasonably small and gadget-less to lift the airplane. But it's my opinion based on looks only, I could be wrong.

-Alfredo


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8764 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Alfredo, I don't think you're wrong!  Big grin


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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

Hi guys.

I don't think it's a jack either, but then I could be wrong too. Big grin

I was thinking that maybe it's a cart with a fire extinguisher bottle incase there's a fire during startup ........ but that idea doesn't really make sense, or does it?

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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8764 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

I also think it's a fire extinguisher cart, but why the one on the photo on the right is empty is beyond me. Or is the extinguisher painted black and just hard to tell apart from the tyres?  Confused

However, there are some photos in the database who show extinguishers on the ramp:


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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Hello Aloges.

Thanks for your reply and the good photos.

Well, perhaps it is a cart for a fire extinguisher, but, as you mentioned, a lot of good it will do if there's nothing on it!

Chris  Smile



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8764 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

You're welcome!

Anyway, I'm curious as to what the forum ramp rats might have to say.



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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

Hi Aloges.

Yeah, so am I.

I'm a former ramp rat!  Big thumbs up I had a fantastic job back in the late 1980s - early 1990s working for a Corporate Jet FBO at Toronto's International Airport (YYZ), and I never used, or even seen a cart like that on my ramp or the other FBO ramps around me.

Therefore, I suspect it's something that ramp guys servicing airliner jets that are loaded with the public need to have close by.

Chris  Smile



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User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3188 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

Beer cooler

just kidding, it is a wheel chock dolly.

Okie


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

Looks a lot like it´s a cart for transporting the chocks to the plane so the rampers won´t have to carry them...

User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Hi guys.

>> Okie & Klaus, Thanks for your replies.

You both mentioned that it's a wheel chock dolly, and that makes perfect sense to me.

It looks like these carts are used to carry other equipment as well.

When I worked on the ramp for a Bizjet FBO at Toronto's YYZ, the largest aircraft that were base on the ramp were 2 Convair 580's. For these large jetprops, us ramp rats used a bunch of wooden 4x4's that were painted bright orange. We'd carry them on the front of our tugs and then just rest them on our shoulders before chocking the nose gear and main gear.

During the winter, after snowplowing the ramp clean, us ramp workers would find these bright orange wheel chocks in some pretty strange places.  Laugh out loud

Chris  Smile



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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

The chock dolly makes perfect sense. We have some at my FBO that weigh about 50lbs a piece. I'm short, and these are about two feet long. We usually toss them on a tug when parking an aircraft in a remote spot. I could see how having something like that dolly at a gate where you are frequently removing chocks and turning aircraft would come in handy.


DMI
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

What type of sissys are we training to be ramp rats these days?

In my day, the job expectation was to lift 75lbs repeatedly.

And we had to carry chocks to the airplane, in snow sleet and hail, uphill both directions.



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User currently offlineMikeclod From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

I too think it is probably a chock cart. Just a side note, but fire bottles near the aircraft during startup aren't there to put the fire out, they're there to clear a lane for the crew to escape through. Or passengers I suppose, I work cargo, so I usually don't think about the needs of "self-loading cargo".
Mikeclod


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

The fire bottle at the NLG is mainly for show,

It had a purpose when they where flying DC-6's or other radials, where you could shoot a stream of Carbon Dioxide into an open cowl flap to put out a fire on start up, which was possible since they leak oil like crazy.

But there is generally no way to access a fire under a cowling of a jet motor to put it out.

If a fire starts, that portable bottle would be about as effective as a box of baking soda.



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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2345 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

I believe thats a battry-run intercom unit. We dont use em here in PIT but ive seen em in use at Logan before. Notice the headset connected to the unit, then into the Flight-Intercomm in the nose. Most likely thats an an airport where they done need pushbacks or the pushback has already taken place. The lead agent would be talking to the crew and they would either be starting their engines/APU ir might be doing a "hydralic dump". Hope this helps.

ATCT
DL Ramp Rat, PIT



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

What type of sissys are we training to be ramp rats these days?

In my day, the job expectation was to lift 75lbs repeatedly.

And we had to carry chocks to the airplane, in snow sleet and hail, uphill both directions.


OK, Grampa, time to take you back to the home!


That's the first time I've seen those types of carts, having worked for two airlines we never had such a luxury item. At FL, we kept the chocks close by, usually outside of the containment zone (unless the lazy ramp rat that pulled them earlier was lazy) that way we could quickly chock the a/c. At ASA, we usually put the chocks on the lid of the pushback unit (as the marshaller usually stood on the deck lid of it to marshal the a/c in on the straight in parking spots).


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

He he he.

We also used to make our own aircraft ice chocks by taking an Oxy axcetlyne torch and cutting teeth into a piece of 6 inch angle steel and then welding a chain between the two.

Worked pretty well but heavy!



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