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7E7 With Bleed Free Engines?

Fly2hmo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

I heard that on another post. What's the difference with those engines?

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LMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

I recently saw a Boeing powerpoint presentation on the 7E7. What they mean by "no-bleed" engines is that the A/C packs will net use bleed air from the engines. Instead they will use four electrically powered turbine compressors. This will help improve reliability. On aircraft such as the 757/767 some of the biggest headaches come from problems with the bleed system.

Bleed air will still be used to start the engines and drive the Air Driven Hydraulic Pumps.

Cdfmxtech From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1338 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

C'mon....Bleed problems are fun!

Fly2hmo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

ohhhh I see...

by the way, around how much thrust will they have?

Katekebo From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1474 times:

There are several reasons to go with a bleedless engine. The main one is less fuel consumption. Using bleed air for heating is not very efficient from the thermodynamic standpoint. Electrical system is more efficient so it will result in overall better fuel efficiency. The other reason is weight reduction. Less ducts and insulation. There may be other reasons (reliability).

NKP S2 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1714 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1465 times:

C'mon....Bleed problems are fun!

Amen, from another ATA 36 junkie. ( glutton for punishment? )

If the weight and complexity created by the use of electric TCs is on balance lower than the fuel/EGT penalty and complexity of engine/APU compressor bleeds, then why not?

GrandTheftAero From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 254 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1454 times:

"by the way, around how much thrust will they have?"

The engine that GE is developing for the 7E7 is to be the future replacement for the CF6. So I assume that their thrust ratings are similar.

--Shane

Shenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

The only thing that bleed air will be used for is nacelle anti ice. Everything else will be electric, including the starters and hydraulic pumps. The starters will also be generators, providing power to the electric compressors, which will provide the air to the packs.

cheers