Jasonwinn From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 45 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6611 times:
I have heard this repeated a few times at some get togethers with family. Some relatives claimed that the FAA spent a lot of time certifying the 777 because it was the first plane to cross the ocean with only 2 engines.
I found this hard to believe, I thought that the 753 and 767 were crossing oceans from north america well before the 777 came into service.
Sccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5260 posts, RR: 27 Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6547 times:
As noted above, the 777 is hardly the first ETOPS-certified plane.
What was unique about the 777 is that its design and flight test regime were intended from the beginning to yield the ETOPS certification without having to build up a record of operation in certificated non-ETOPS applications.
The 777 was ETOPS certified from the start.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7719 posts, RR: 17 Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 5714 times:
I am almost certain that the first ETOPS flight for a US major was done by TWA in 1985 or 86 with a 767-200 flying BOS-LHR.
As for transpac stuff. 757s and 767s have been doing mainland to Hawaii (at least the outer islands) flights fairly extensively since the early 90s after DL and UA retired their Super DC-8 fleets. I would think that maybe AC or CP might have used 767s on some transpac routes from YVR and certainly to Hawaii and onward to Austrailia. Though the 777 was probably the first twin to regularly do extensive transpac longhauls.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
SLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 562 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 5623 times:
"Don't forget that Gina Yeager and Burt Rutan crossed both oceans, WITHOUT stopping with a twin engine airplane........!!!!!"
Sorry, I couldn't resist a few corrections here.
It was JEANA Yeager and DICK Rutan (Burt was the designer) that crossed THREE oceans. Two of these oceans were crossed with a single engine running.
There's a neat story in their book about the controller's disbelief as the plane started it's crossing of the Indian Ocean. The controller, unfamiliar with the plane, didn't think they were serious about crossing the ocean.
PS> The Voyager team thought it might actually take two or three attempts to complete the goal.
I don't like to be fueled by anger, I don't like to be fooled by lust...
Pilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3119 posts, RR: 11 Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months ago) and read 5545 times:
TWA was the first airline to fly a 767-200 under ETOPS rules in the early 80s. The 777 was the first airliner that was certified for ETOPS from the beginning.
As for the Voyager, you can see it in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum. I don't recall if they fixed the winglets or left them as they were. They were damaged on take off roll. Rumor has it that after Burt Rutan gets the X-prize (his design is the closest to this feat the in the competition) he wants to set the endurance record for a turbojet based on the Voyager.
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8478 posts, RR: 13 Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months ago) and read 5543 times:
And if you're ever at the EAA Museum in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, they have a mockup of the Voyager, and it's cutaway so you can see the inside ... boy ... you think an 18 hour flight in economy plus on SIA is bad... wow.
25 SLCPilot: I wonder of the jet endurance record will be done with this plane? http://www.virginatlanticglobalflyer.com/ BTW, does anybody know the current record
26 Embqa: SLCPilot- Thanks....... I was trying to remember 'WHICH' Rutan did the flight. I guessed wrong. ..........I think the 'Voyager' also holds the time al
27 IMisspiedmont: SLCPilot, it's a Scaled Composites aircraft, of course it will beat the current record for unrefueled turbine aircraft. I can't think of a single inst
28 Soulman: Not sure on the exact record IMisspiedmont, but I believe the B-2's that flew non-stop from Whiteman to Afghanistan and return were in the air for som
29 L-188: I can't think of a single instance when Rutan has failed to follow through on a promise. His Grizzley, which was an attempt to makea bushplane, jumps
30 Air1727: Trans World was the first carrier to have FAA approved ETOPS exemptions in its opspecs for the 767-200ER; which was also the first ETOPS certified twi
31 Timz: "Does anyone know what the longest time ever spent airborne is, and where, when and with which aircraft?" Is it still the C172 in 1958?
32 MD-90: Voyager does not hold the endurance record for time spent aloft. Their trip was 9 days, 3 minutes, and 44 seconds. Design range was 22,778 nm. Eat you
33 Cancidas: doesn't the 757 do trans-atlantic runs also?