Jasonwinn From United States, joined Nov 2003, 45 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4405 times:
Hey everyone,
I have heard this repeated a few times at some get togethers with family. Some relatives claimed that the FAA spent a lot of time certifying the 777 because it was the first plane to cross the ocean with only 2 engines.
I found this hard to believe, I thought that the 753 and 767 were crossing oceans from north america well before the 777 came into service.
Sccutler From United States, joined Jan 2000, 4006 posts, RR: 35 Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4339 times:
As noted above, the 777 is hardly the first ETOPS-certified plane.
What was unique about the 777 is that its design and flight test regime were intended from the beginning to yield the ETOPS certification without having to build up a record of operation in certificated non-ETOPS applications.
The 777 was ETOPS certified from the start.
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Broke From United States, joined Apr 2002, 1300 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4184 times:
The first extended overwater flights with a twin jet were accomplished by Air France A-300's from JFK to Martinique on a seasonal basis in the late 1970's, before the ETOPS requirement was defined.
IMisspiedmont From United States, joined May 2001, 5584 posts, RR: 55 Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3884 times:
LAX-HNL causes an aircraft to be farther from a suitable alternate than LAX-NRT. But, since you ask, I'm sure the 777 was the first twin with range to fly trans-pacific nonstop.
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DesertJets From United States, joined Feb 2000, 6919 posts, RR: 29 Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3508 times:
I am almost certain that the first ETOPS flight for a US major was done by TWA in 1985 or 86 with a 767-200 flying BOS-LHR.
As for transpac stuff. 757s and 767s have been doing mainland to Hawaii (at least the outer islands) flights fairly extensively since the early 90s after DL and UA retired their Super DC-8 fleets. I would think that maybe AC or CP might have used 767s on some transpac routes from YVR and certainly to Hawaii and onward to Austrailia. Though the 777 was probably the first twin to regularly do extensive transpac longhauls.
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SLCPilot From United States, joined Aug 2003, 372 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3417 times:
"Don't forget that Gina Yeager and Burt Rutan crossed both oceans, WITHOUT stopping with a twin engine airplane........!!!!!"
Sorry, I couldn't resist a few corrections here.
It was JEANA Yeager and DICK Rutan (Burt was the designer) that crossed THREE oceans. Two of these oceans were crossed with a single engine running.
There's a neat story in their book about the controller's disbelief as the plane started it's crossing of the Indian Ocean. The controller, unfamiliar with the plane, didn't think they were serious about crossing the ocean.
SLCPilot
PS> The Voyager team thought it might actually take two or three attempts to complete the goal.
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Pilotpip From United States, joined Sep 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3339 times:
TWA was the first airline to fly a 767-200 under ETOPS rules in the early 80s. The 777 was the first airliner that was certified for ETOPS from the beginning.
As for the Voyager, you can see it in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum. I don't recall if they fixed the winglets or left them as they were. They were damaged on take off roll. Rumor has it that after Burt Rutan gets the X-prize (his design is the closest to this feat the in the competition) he wants to set the endurance record for a turbojet based on the Voyager.
MD-90 From United States, joined Jan 2000, 7402 posts, RR: 18 Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3337 times:
And if you're ever at the EAA Museum in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, they have a mockup of the Voyager, and it's cutaway so you can see the inside ... boy ... you think an 18 hour flight in economy plus on SIA is bad... wow.
BTW, does anybody know the current record? My guess is maybe a B-52 has stayed up maybe 40 hours or so (with refueling)...
SLCPilot
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26 Embqa: SLCPilot- Thanks....... I was trying to remember 'WHICH' Rutan did the flight. I guessed wrong. ..........I think the 'Voyager' also holds the time al
27 IMisspiedmont: SLCPilot, it's a Scaled Composites aircraft, of course it will beat the current record for unrefueled turbine aircraft. I can't think of a single inst
28 Soulman: Not sure on the exact record IMisspiedmont, but I believe the B-2's that flew non-stop from Whiteman to Afghanistan and return were in the air for som
29 L-188: I can't think of a single instance when Rutan has failed to follow through on a promise. His Grizzley, which was an attempt to makea bushplane, jumps
30 Air1727: Trans World was the first carrier to have FAA approved ETOPS exemptions in its opspecs for the 767-200ER; which was also the first ETOPS certified twi
31 Timz: "Does anyone know what the longest time ever spent airborne is, and where, when and with which aircraft?" Is it still the C172 in 1958?
32 MD-90: Voyager does not hold the endurance record for time spent aloft. Their trip was 9 days, 3 minutes, and 44 seconds. Design range was 22,778 nm. Eat you
33 Cancidas: doesn't the 757 do trans-atlantic runs also?
35 IMissPiedmont: Darn, I thought I might have posed a 4 day stumper. But then, I did post the question on this site.
36 Brubiac: Sabena flew almost every day with a A310-300 (OO-SCC) BRU-BOS-BRU back in the '90s
37 BA: No... that'd be the Spirit of St. Louis Nope, that would be Alcock and Brown in their Vickers Vimy on June 16, 1919. That would be 8 years before Lind
38 MD-90: True, but Lindbergh actually landed at a proper aerodrome, and didn't wind up nosing over in a peat bog! The first scheduled transatlantic service was
39 Airgypsy: Let us all remember... ETOPS stands for Engines Turn Or Passangers Swim. The more motors the merrier. Airgypsy
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