Sponsor Message:
Aviation Technical / Operations Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
A/C Life Rafts  
User currently offlineWilco From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 355 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Sorry for the crash question but I am really curious if A/C life rafts have ever been succesfully used. (i.e. a plane was ditched, life rafts deployed with passengers in them, survivor(s) rescued).

I just can't stop thinking of how perfect of a ditching must be made in order for the life rafts to be accessible/undamaged AND there be survivors....

Regards,
Wilco


"Ever seen a grown man naked?"
14 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2520 times:

When flight 261 happened, the life rafts on the MD-83 never deployed over the pacific ocean. This is probably because the fuselage was so severly crushed that there was basically nothing left of the aircraft but the wings and tail section.

EDITED: There were no surviors, all 88 lost their lives. This was on AS on Jan 31, 2000.

[Edited 2004-03-08 19:06:38]


A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlineSammyhostie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

When training as cabin crew, we had to deploy a life raft into a pool and consequently "save" all the other trainees.

Even in a relatively relaxed scenario as this it was still a very hard task, and I doubt in such a real situation occuring that a landing on water would be very hard to succesfully complete, although perhaps natural instincts and the will to live and the adrenalin would come into play.

[Edited 2004-03-08 19:11:21]

User currently offlineWilco From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

Airframe.... you're right. But AS261 wasn't a ditching... that was impact. I am wondering if there has ever been a succesful ditching where liferafts saved lives.

regards,
wilco




"Ever seen a grown man naked?"
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

There was an ALM DC-9 that ditched in the Carribean back in the 1970s, so you might want to do a search for specific details. My memory is fuzzy, but I seem to recall it being off St. Croix, and that most folks survived the ditching (after the aircraft ran out of fuel).

User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

Wasn't there an ONA DC-9 years back that ditched sucessfully in the Carribean somewhere? I know there were survivors in that case.

User currently offlineB747Skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

The ALM DC9 ditching in the 1970s was an ONA DC9-30 on ACMI to ALM...
Flight from USA to St Maarten. Destination weather was bad...
They ditched indeed, ran out of fuel and ideas...
xxx
Happy contrails -
(s) Skipper


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Here it is...

http://aviation-safety.net/database/1970/700502-0.htm


User currently offlineWilco From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

THanks OPNL... that was helpful. I am still unclear if the aircraft's liferafts were used in that incident. (I have read other places that the liferafts that were used in this incident were airdropped by other aircraft.)

Let me be a bit more blunt with my question. Do you think the liferafts carried aboard aircraft are worth their weight?

Edited: To include pic of various aircraft life rafts.



[Edited 2004-03-08 23:57:51]


"Ever seen a grown man naked?"
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2385 times:

>>>Let me be a bit more blunt with my question. Do you think the liferafts carried aboard aircraft are worth their weight?

Along with fire extinguishers, one takes it upon faith that they are, since the only certain way to know if they are worthwile is when you actually need them, and they're either there, or they're not.

The NTSB report on the ONA (operating as ALM) flight is at:
http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR71-08.pdf and it would discuss whether rafts were actually used (as I suspect they were).


User currently offlineCoa764 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 328 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

>>>Let me be a bit more blunt with my question. Do you think the liferafts carried aboard aircraft are worth their weight?
Realistically, probably not but they are one of those necessary evils. That meaning the first time you do have a ditch that made it and then everyone drowned because of the lack of rafts will be the one time to many. Survival gear on an airplane is put there in the chance that if you do get survivors, as many as one, they have a chance to do just that.



Please oh please Mr Moderator Nazi, dont delete my thread.
User currently offlineWilco From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

OPNLGUY and all interested: the aircraft's life rafts were NOT used. Thanks for that NTSB report... it was fascinating.

NTSB exerpt: "Although none of the five 25-man rafts on board the aircraft was deployed, several rafts were air-dropped at the ditching site."

It does appear that the life preservers/seat cushions were used by succesfully by many.



"Ever seen a grown man naked?"
User currently offlineChdmcmanus From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 374 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

Wilco,

In the paragraph prior it talks about the usage of a slide raft,

"The navigator found an emergency escape slide floating in the water and, with the help of a female passenger, inflated it. The first officer, who had no lifevest, climbed on top of the slide and assumed command of the main group of survivors who gathered around the slide. Belts and ties were used to provide additional hand-holds for the people."

Although none of the dedicated rafts were deployed, at least one of the slide rafts still worked.

ChD



"Never trust a clean Crew Chief"
User currently offlineWilco From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

Thanks ChD.... I skimmed right past that part. Its good to know something was of use for those folks. That story is really interesting as most of the passengers apparently thought they were landing! (not ditching) The were warned of a possible ditching but never that it was definetly going to happen.


"Ever seen a grown man naked?"
User currently offlineB747Skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

The major source of problem was the coordination between ONA cockpit crew and the ALM cabin staff. In this day and age, on ACMI contracts, there was very little interaction between different teams of different companies.
xxx
I have flown many such contracts. Not much communications, no CRM...
"Oh, you did ding the cabin chime 3 times, what does it mean...?"
Briefings and communications were kept to a minimum. You guys do your things, we do ours...!
xxx
Happy contrails  Smile
(s) Skipper


Top Of Page
Forum Index

Reply To This Topic A/C Life Rafts
Username:
No username? Sign up now!
Password: 


Forgot Password? Be reminded.
Remember me on this computer (uses cookies)
  • Tech/Ops related posts only!
  • Not Tech/Ops related? Use the other forums
  • No adverts of any kind. This includes web pages.
  • No hostile language or criticizing of others.
  • Do not post copyright protected material.
  • Use relevant and describing topics.
  • Check if your post already been discussed.
  • Check your spelling!
  • DETAILED RULES
Add Images Add SmiliesPosting Help

Please check your spelling (press "Check Spelling" above)


Similar topics:More similar topics...
Life Cycle Hardness (E³) posted Mon Feb 6 2006 15:25:58 by Saintsman
Life Of JT8D Powered B732s posted Fri Oct 7 2005 06:31:50 by HAWK21M
Engine Life Spans posted Sun Jul 24 2005 20:59:59 by LVPlanefan
Pinger Life In CVR. posted Sun Apr 24 2005 18:03:09 by HAWK21M
A Day In The Life Of A WN 737...Part II posted Tue Feb 8 2005 05:53:26 by Frequentflykid
An AME/AMTs Life posted Sat Oct 23 2004 08:19:34 by HAWK21M
A Day In The LIfe Of A WN Jet posted Sat Oct 23 2004 05:33:46 by FrequentFlyKid
A Pilots Life... posted Wed Oct 20 2004 23:53:09 by Soku39
Engine Life posted Sun Aug 22 2004 13:40:21 by Hugh3306
Jet Engine Life posted Thu Jun 10 2004 13:08:46 by TFJamie

Sponsor Message:
Printer friendly format